Vintage Brickbabble

Well, it's better than asking a question, being provided an answer that goes completely against the point you were making, and then just ignoring it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Honestly I have no idea. It was a weak line of argument. I assumed a California Democrat was horrible on Covid but went with the first google result instead of actually reading it. Hand up; if that’s where the whole quote went, bad post by me.

And back to whitewashing…

It seems like you think there was no daylight in how Covid was handled by people like DeathSantis and guys like Newsom & Tubby. In that case, you’re obviously minimizing terrible behavior by pretending “moving on” is the same thing as ignoring sociopathy.

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The sedevacantists have been at it for a long time now. A lot of the recent converts, the tradcaths, saw him as anywhere from illegitimate to Satan. Other converts thought he was great, though. Even extremely online Catholicism contains multitudes.

I thought he was a respectable figure with a good message. He felt like John Paul II, where even if you weren't Catholic, you could still respect him for having his heart in the right place. I'm guessing that Francis stacked the college with like-minded cardinals before he died, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the church try to push the pendulum back and install more of a hardliner instead.

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The point is that everyone was wrong.

Some were more wrong than others. 5 years later it's time to get over who opened up a few months earlier.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I didn't hate the pope but I didn't like him. I think many of his views are progressive that are or could have a fundamental if not existential effect on the Catholic Church itself. He has also surrounded himself with some pretty awful people such as McCarrick and another whose name I can 't remember, that guy who embezzled money, and Fernandez who has some pretty odd views and I don't believe it's all coincidental. And as CH just said his heart was in the right place...maybe (I'm not so sure that is the case) but let's say that it was...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Whether this is deliberate or not doesn't matter if the end result is negative.

I think many who profess their love of Jesus would love him very much if he returned provided they had a clear understanding of Jesus and believe in him. There is a second part to the parable of the adulterous woman that people seem to forget. There is much more to the golden rule and loving thy neighbor as stated and interpreted. While Catholics are called to forgive, and seek non retaliatory non personal means of justice, we are also expected to seek and spread truth and justice. We do not have to accept abuse and we are suppose to protect and care for the weak. Jesus ain't no progressive liberal and I'm not sure it's the job of the Catholic Church to be inclusive in the ways modern society wants it to be.

the guy that should get it is the guy with the best name ever: pierbattista pizzabella. also sounds like the best dish at an italian hole in the wall.

I like saying sociopathy. Not out loud, just in my head.

For all you youngsters out there "a few months" means 11.

For some schools it was 11 months. For others, including some in California and liberal Illinois, it was a few months.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Hopefully the new pope will change the mass words back to normal.

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Elections have consequences.

Amen

Totally not whitewashing.

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Go ahead and never get over it for the rest of your life.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don’t know what that means.

Go ahead and ignore people being terrible sociopaths when given the opportunity. There’s no reason to ever consider past behavior when electing somebody.

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Whitewashing is like saying you'll never get over it the rest of your life.

Not since we elected the President of COVID lockdowns there isn't.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That is a well written and on point assessment. Well said.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

If you drop the last syllable (or two if you enunciate well), you can sing this to "Jesus Is Just Alright with Me" and finally give those dirty hippies what-for.

The Catholic Church did pretty well under Pope Francis. It seemed like Catholicism was one of the few denominations that was growing while mainline Protestants continue to shed members. Going back to a hardliner and retreating could undo a lot of the goodwill that the Church earned with the rest of the world.

It might be helpful to look at the Mormons, another denomination that inspires some highly divisive feelings, and their recent history of leadership. From the 1950s through about 2015, the church was mostly under the control of the moderates/pragmatists. The hardliners got a quick whirl in the '70s, but even they tempered themselves a little bit: the church had spent a lot of time and energy constructing a series of busy-boxes for John Birch Society psychopath Ezra Taft Benson, sending him around the world or letting him be in Eisenhower's cabinet so that he'd leave them alone, or calling meetings without him there so they could pass the resolution to let blacks join the church, and by the time he had the seniority to be president, he was senile and the moderates were running the show again. And so through the second half of the 20th century, the church experienced a ton of growth despite being cruel and demanding and theologically batshit because they had people at the top who could sell the Mormons as your friendly neighbors who might be a little different but meant well and seemed happy and successful. That finally ended about ten years ago when people like Dallin Oaks (University of Chicago guy) were able to seize power and steer the church toward being loudly anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, anti-everything, basically, transforming the church's message from the sunny "hey let's all try to be good people" of the moderates to "everyone has to follow all the rules at all times or else," and the church appears to be suffering greatly for it.

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yeah, religion can be so preachy

Luckily, we can turn to Unitarianism.

You, ultimately, have to live with who you are, so you might as well proclaim it clearly and boldly. I think this was where Francis could be deficient. It's a tough balance to teach both "neither do I condemn you." and "Now go and sin no more". I'll thank anyone who takes on the task for his service.

We shouldn't be so concerned with who is holding the seat. We aren't Catholic based on the charisma of a temporal leader, like some suburban mega church.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Western culture generally seems to be shifting to the right. Now may be a time to embrace things like traditional values.

There’s nothing wrong with the appearance of being welcoming but a religion can’t be a social club. If you want new members, start some wars.

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Why is that so hard for you to balance?

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Francis treated LGBT folks the same way that Jesus treated the woman caught in adultery. He didn't judge them, and dealt with them on individual basis.

Jesus surrounded himself with a guy that would sell him out to be killed. And his first Pope denied even knowing him when confronted, after swearing that he would never do such a thing.

If that's progressive, then so be it.

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I get that, but when the church has a global leadership position like that (who is the king of all Methodists? idk), it is going to matter a little bit to some people. I would guess that Francis's presence did bring people in or back in while causing others to disengage, but it seems like--at least in America--his tenure was a net benefit. Opinion of the church seems a lot higher now than it was in the days of Ratzinger (forgot which Benedict he was), and I don't think they had to become Unitarians to do it.

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because people take calling actions a sin as a condemnation

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I get bombarded with pope watchers on my youtube algorithm both favorable and unfavorable. They make content weekly or more. I wouldn't know 99% of what he did if they weren't squawking about it and I'm modestly diligent.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That was the beauty of Francis. Like Christ, he doesn't condemn. He didn't tell the woman specifically not to commit adultery. He didn't need to.

Catholic teaching is available and unequivocal.

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Are you saying that the Catholic religion doesn't condemn sin, especially mortal sin? Please explain what Christ meant by "Go forth and SIN NO MORE?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I dunno how but YouTube somehow interpreted my watch history of videos about trains and NYPD Blue clips as cause to feed me a steady diet of “The Hoof GP” which is basically like Dr. Pimple Popper but for cows.

The Catholic Church doesn't usually condemn people publicly.

The leave that up to you, and The Doctor of Style.

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