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 Post subject: Re: Jake and Greg quotes
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This is their euphoria talking. There is no room for logic at this point until the off season for Cub fans no matter what you point out to them. At this point they fully expect they will get Price and win 102 next year.


What are you talking about? Address Steve if that's who you are referring to, not all Cubs fans.

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I never said you shouldn't be enjoying this Cub season, no matter how sadly it's going to end.

And I don't think all the other Cub's performance will remain the same. Some will do better, some worse. You seem to have trouble reading and like the majority of Cub fans I know, you evaluate Cub players based on their best seasons.


It has already been a very good season, where the team achieved much more than anyone I can think of had expected. To think they are going to win the World Series with just 1 great pitcher and 1 very good one, is probably not realistic. It's a year early for those kind of expectations to be remotely realistic. Evaluating Arrieta on this season and thinking he will repeat this level of performance is silly. He has been historically great. But the Cubs are starting 5 rookies, off of whom will probably have better seasons than this one. Castro has been the hottest hitter in baseball for the last month, but his overall season has been far short of a career best. Rizzo has had a great season, even if he's hitting only around .230 over the past 30 games. Who besides Arrieta is having a career year? Fowler? He has more homers than any previous years and is 3rd in the league in runs scored, but will probably not be with the team next season, so nobody is counting on him next season. Coghlan has more homers than any season before, but his rookie year he hit .321 with more runs scored and more RBI. Montero has had seasons batting in the .280's with as many as 86 RBI and he has just 53 this year. So who besides Arrieta is having a career year?



This is what I'm talking about. This year's Cubs are a really good team. You expect them to keep getting better. They're going to win 95 games. Do you have any idea how many Cub teams have won 95 games in the history of baseball?


This is their euphoria talking. There is no room for logic at this point until the off season for Cub fans no matter what you point out to them. At this point they fully expect they will get Price and win 102 next year.


This was how they were before 2003. That year shook them for about a decade but the It's Gonna Happen crew is back in full force

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I never said you shouldn't be enjoying this Cub season, no matter how sadly it's going to end.

And I don't think all the other Cub's performance will remain the same. Some will do better, some worse. You seem to have trouble reading and like the majority of Cub fans I know, you evaluate Cub players based on their best seasons.


It has already been a very good season, where the team achieved much more than anyone I can think of had expected. To think they are going to win the World Series with just 1 great pitcher and 1 very good one, is probably not realistic. It's a year early for those kind of expectations to be remotely realistic. Evaluating Arrieta on this season and thinking he will repeat this level of performance is silly. He has been historically great. But the Cubs are starting 5 rookies, off of whom will probably have better seasons than this one. Castro has been the hottest hitter in baseball for the last month, but his overall season has been far short of a career best. Rizzo has had a great season, even if he's hitting only around .230 over the past 30 games. Who besides Arrieta is having a career year? Fowler? He has more homers than any previous years and is 3rd in the league in runs scored, but will probably not be with the team next season, so nobody is counting on him next season. Coghlan has more homers than any season before, but his rookie year he hit .321 with more runs scored and more RBI. Montero has had seasons batting in the .280's with as many as 86 RBI and he has just 53 this year. So who besides Arrieta is having a career year?



This is what I'm talking about. This year's Cubs are a really good team. You expect them to keep getting better. They're going to win 95 games. Do you have any idea how many Cub teams have won 95 games in the history of baseball?


This Cubs team will be better than any Cubs team I have ever seen. The 2004 team looked like it was going to be the best ever, but injuries prevented that and then age and more injuries came into play. Injuries are the one factor that has to be accounted for. but with their depth, they should be able to withstand them much better. This is not a team with a lot of aging veterans and a few young players, but a great group of young players with a few veterans sprinkled in. Those older players will be replaced before long as more great young players come up in the system and young players like Bryant, Soler, Russell, Schwarber and Baez go from rookies to veterans and assume bigger roles. Rizzo has already ascended to a leadership role. With these great young players and more great prospects being developed, the future is bright. No reason to believe that with further experience and development and a top of the rotation starter added to the mix that they won't top 95 wins next year and for several years to come. Again, the one thing that could be a fly in the ointment would be injuries to key players. Otherwise 95 wins and beyond.

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I don't think Schwarber will be on the team for next year!

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I don't think Schwarber will be on the team for next year!

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I'd definitely move Schwarber in the right deal.

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Schwarber sucks. Bust.

Arrieta will be the best pitcher in the league for the next three years.
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I never said you shouldn't be enjoying this Cub season, no matter how sadly it's going to end.

And I don't think all the other Cub's performance will remain the same. Some will do better, some worse. You seem to have trouble reading and like the majority of Cub fans I know, you evaluate Cub players based on their best seasons.


It has already been a very good season, where the team achieved much more than anyone I can think of had expected. To think they are going to win the World Series with just 1 great pitcher and 1 very good one, is probably not realistic. It's a year early for those kind of expectations to be remotely realistic. Evaluating Arrieta on this season and thinking he will repeat this level of performance is silly. He has been historically great. But the Cubs are starting 5 rookies, off of whom will probably have better seasons than this one. Castro has been the hottest hitter in baseball for the last month, but his overall season has been far short of a career best. Rizzo has had a great season, even if he's hitting only around .230 over the past 30 games. Who besides Arrieta is having a career year? Fowler? He has more homers than any previous years and is 3rd in the league in runs scored, but will probably not be with the team next season, so nobody is counting on him next season. Coghlan has more homers than any season before, but his rookie year he hit .321 with more runs scored and more RBI. Montero has had seasons batting in the .280's with as many as 86 RBI and he has just 53 this year. So who besides Arrieta is having a career year?



This is what I'm talking about. This year's Cubs are a really good team. You expect them to keep getting better. They're going to win 95 games. Do you have any idea how many Cub teams have won 95 games in the history of baseball?


This Cubs team will be better than any Cubs team I have ever seen. The 2004 team looked like it was going to be the best ever, but injuries prevented that and then age and more injuries came into play. Injuries are the one factor that has to be accounted for. but with their depth, they should be able to withstand them much better. This is not a team with a lot of aging veterans and a few young players, but a great group of young players with a few veterans sprinkled in. Those older players will be replaced before long as more great young players come up in the system and young players like Bryant, Soler, Russell, Schwarber and Baez go from rookies to veterans and assume bigger roles. Rizzo has already ascended to a leadership role. With these great young players and more great prospects being developed, the future is bright. No reason to believe that with further experience and development and a top of the rotation starter added to the mix that they won't top 95 wins next year and for several years to come. Again, the one thing that could be a fly in the ointment would be injuries to key players. Otherwise 95 wins and beyond.


And yet, history shows how difficult 95 wins is for any team to achieve, but I suppose by some miracle (perhaps Theo Epstein walking on water) a franchise that has won 95 ten times in 150 years is to be expected to achieve 95 wins four or five times in the next ten seasons. Let's just say, I don't like your chances.

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 Post subject: Re: Jake and Greg quotes
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And yet, history shows how difficult 95 wins is for any team to achieve, but I suppose by some miracle (perhaps Theo Epstein walking on water) a franchise that has won 95 ten times in 150 years is to be expected to achieve 95 wins four or five times in the next ten seasons. Let's just say, I don't like your chances.

What the Cubs did in 1890, 1908, 1920, 1945, 1952, 1978, 1985 & 2000 have no affect whatsoever on the 2012-2020 Cubs. Zero affect.

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And yet, history shows how difficult 95 wins is for any team to achieve, but I suppose by some miracle (perhaps Theo Epstein walking on water) a franchise that has won 95 ten times in 150 years is to be expected to achieve 95 wins four or five times in the next ten seasons. Let's just say, I don't like your chances.

What the Cubs did in 1890, 1908, 1920, 1945, 1952, 1978, 1985 & 2000 have no affect whatsoever on the 2012-2020 Cubs. Zero affect.


That's fine, but they're not suddenly going to win 95 games every season. It just doesn't happen. And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.

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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.


Prior's breakdown has nothing to do with Jake Arrieta either. Maybe he'll post a 490 ERA+ for the next fifteen seasons. Dream big!

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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.


I do not think Jorr is saying all the past teams matter to this one. He is saying simply statistically it doesn't happen often. That said IMU that is a sensible take you have there.

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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.


I do not think Jorr is saying all the past teams matter to this one. He is saying simply statistically it doesn't happen often. That said IMU that is a sensible take you have there.


But if we take off our trolling hats, the Cubs past performance has nothing to do with future performance, unless one believes in curses or other nonsensical theories about day games or scummy locker rooms.

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pittmike wrote:
IMU wrote:
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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.


I do not think Jorr is saying all the past teams matter to this one. He is saying simply statistically it doesn't happen often. That said IMU that is a sensible take you have there.


But if we take off our trolling hats, the Cubs past performance has nothing to do with future performance, unless one believes in curses or other nonsensical theories about day games or scummy locker rooms.


I think I just said that.

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[But if we take off our trolling hats,.


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leashyourkids wrote:
pittmike wrote:
IMU wrote:
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And it certainly doesn't happen to the Cubs.

This isn't a thing. Decades of piss poor organizations has nothing to do with the current organization.

I don't think the Cubs will win 95 games every season. Could they average 90+ over the next four or five? Surely. Is it likely? I don't know, but I'm expecting to be competitive every September for the next five years barring major injuries. And I like that.


I do not think Jorr is saying all the past teams matter to this one. He is saying simply statistically it doesn't happen often. That said IMU that is a sensible take you have there.


But if we take off our trolling hats, the Cubs past performance has nothing to do with future performance, unless one believes in curses or other nonsensical theories about day games or scummy locker rooms.


The point is that there's no such thing as "a year early". This is very likely to be the best Cub team in the next ten seasons. It's unfortunate they're in a tough division. And it's also possible that they may go further with a team that is not as good.

Sure, they look like they're set up to have some success in the near future. But baseball is a funny game. It isn't basketball where having Michael and Scottie guarantees the playoffs every season (barring injury). Or hockey, where having Toews and Kane does the same. There's a lot that goes into a baseball team being good. Sometimes it's as simple as not adding Jonathan Papelbon. Unlike the other sports, the difference between the best baseball team and the worst isn't that great, even though when your team is bad it seems as if it is.

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The point is that there's no such thing as "a year early". This is very likely to be the best Cub team in the next ten seasons. It's unfortunate they're in a tough division. And it's also possible that they may go further with a team that is not as good.

Sure, they look like they're set up to have some success in the near future. But baseball is a funny game. It isn't basketball where having Michael and Scottie guarantees the playoffs every season (barring injury). Or hockey, where having Toews and Kane does the same. There's a lot that goes into a baseball team being good. Sometimes it's as simple as not adding Jonathan Papelbon. Unlike the other sports, the difference between the best baseball team and the worst isn't that great, even though when your team is bad it seems as if it is.


You and I have had this conversation, and we agree. I'm not Steve. I find it moronic to say that they are "a year early."

The rebuttal was to your comment of "especially not the Cubs." The rest of your post has merit. This sentence does not, as the Cubs have no lesser or greater opportunity than anyone else based solely on the organization's history.

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[But if we take off our trolling hats,.


Hat? I have the whole damn uniform


Just once, before our time here ends, I have faith that you will use the quote function 100% correctly.

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