It is currently Sun May 19, 2024 3:28 pm

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO CUBS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 4
  [ 91 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
  Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
Nas wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.

Agree. Starters are a different deal.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Colonel Angus wrote:
IMU wrote:
I wouldn't trade Schwarber straight up for a Chapman rental.

I would consider a deal for Andrew Miller. The Yankees value Schwarber highly, as they should. He would be their DH and that porch would be extremely attractive to him.

Schwarber could be their Big Papi. They should give the Cubs two of their titles for him.

Good for them. He could never be the Cubs' Big Papi.

I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.

I said no. Not for any reliever. No. Not Rivera and not Hoffman. Not for untapped talent under my control for four years or more.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
IMU wrote:
Colonel Angus wrote:
IMU wrote:
I wouldn't trade Schwarber straight up for a Chapman rental.

I would consider a deal for Andrew Miller. The Yankees value Schwarber highly, as they should. He would be their DH and that porch would be extremely attractive to him.

Schwarber could be their Big Papi. They should give the Cubs two of their titles for him.

Good for them. He could never be the Cubs' Big Papi.

I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

You do not have to give up your best pure hitter for a dream chasing bullpen quick fix. Strop blows at every phase of relief anyway so trade his cock hat ass for anybody that wants him.
Top
 Profile  
 
Kirkwood
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
IMU wrote:
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Scooter wrote:
You do not have to give up your best pure hitter

How was this determined?

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Kirkwood
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
IMU wrote:
I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

Your post shows SOLID to excellent can be found for cheap.

None of those were acquired in exchange of significant value.


Last edited by Kirkwood on Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Scooter wrote:
IMU wrote:
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Kirkwood wrote:
IMU wrote:
I'm sure he will be a decent to great hitter throughout his career. But there just isn't an obvious spot for him on this team. You know what would be welcome? Some support for Rondon / Strop / Edwards / Wood.

Your post shows SOLID to excellent can be found for cheap.

None of those were acquired in exchange of significant value.

And none of those were acquired this year, or even last year, or even the year before.

The Cubs are trying to win in 2016. Who cares about the next CJ Edwards move...or the next Rule 5 pick.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
IMU wrote:
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

Now that I have your attention you do not trade Schwarber for relief pitching. Understand?
Top
 Profile  
 
Kirkwood
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Ask Billy Beane
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
Kirkwood wrote:
Ask Billy Beane

GAY
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Scooter wrote:
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
IMU wrote:
You make Cubs fans sound silly.

Quit editing posts douche. You know what I am talking about purple boy.

What?

Now that I have your attention you do not trade Schwarber for relief pitching. Understand?

You wouldn't.

Reasonable brass would.

Value for value.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80333
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.


I find myself to be in agreement with IMU very often lately

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Scooter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:28 pm
Posts: 6211
Location: Knoxville,Ill
pizza_Place: Caseys
good dolphin wrote:
IMU wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.



Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.

And you wouldn't have traded Corey Patterson for Trevor Hoffman.

The Cubs are trying to win a World Series. The Cubs are a .609 team without him this season. He does not play a position of need for the Cubs. In fact, you can argue he doesn't play a position that exists in the National League.

Kyle Schwarber should not be untouchable. He should be a very valuable piece that could be moved in a trade where the Cubs receive equal value back...in positions that are more important for the near future. Back end of the bullpen is one of those needs.


I find myself to be in agreement with IMU very often lately

So you enjoy being wrong?
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:55 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77204
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Kirkwood wrote:
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU
Top
 Profile  
 
sinicalypse
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:54 pm
Posts: 17129
Location: in the vents of life for joey belle
pizza_Place: how many planets have a chicago?
Colonel Angus wrote:
Schwarber could be their Big Papi.


yeah but don't they have their top prospect aaron judge in that "big lug who can be 1B/DH after teixeira fucks off" role?

i was thinking about how schwarber for miller would make sense for both sides involved, problem is that whole "the big dummy done gone and blew out his ACL" thing. but hey maybe you can just stick aaron judge in left and jump on schwarber b4 he can come back and prove to be a 40HR masher and therefore he's on the "cheap" cuz no way is even a great reliever worth a big 30-40HR mashing DH, right?

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
Les Grobstein's huge hog is proof that God has a sense of humor, isn't it?
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80333
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Cashman
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6477
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Nas wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.



I think Scwarber would be the start of the package, not the only thing.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:37 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77204
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Cashman wrote:
Nas wrote:
Scooter wrote:
312player wrote:
Scooter wrote:
Schwarber for any relief pitching is ridiculous. End of story.





Schwarber for Mariano Rivera?

I never would trade a player with Schwarbers upside for a relief pitcher. Especially when the kid has 86 days of MLB service time. Not today not ever.


Agreed. I would take a Chris Sale though.



I think Scwarber would be the start of the package, not the only thing.


Of course. I'm not trading Sale for Scwarber. I would damn near want your entire minor league system for Sale.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:38 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77204
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU
Top
 Profile  
 
Kirkwood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Schwarber is a main piece for a guy like Sonny Gray or Chris Archer.
Top
 Profile  
 
Cashman
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6477
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.



I get big picture, but I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. I don't think the Cubs will have a position for him, and winning a World Series would be a big thing.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80333
Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Trading Schwarber for a reliever would be a disaster.

You use a chip like that for something FAR SUPERIOR.


Agreed


So you agree that The Plan is to compete


I don't think it's trying to win for 1 year. You don't trade a young power bat for a relief pitcher.


right, "just a relief pitcher"

the window is open to win a world series and you are still in save for the future mode

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80333
Cashman wrote:
[I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. .


of course you would. So would anybody but the Yankees. I don't want to single you out because I have seen this type of talk bandied about by several Cub fans.

You are both overvaluing Schwarber and undervaluing the other two

That's ok. The Cubs can sit there with their competitive prospects while some other GM makes the championship move. Then you can do the same again next year.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Kirkwood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
You don't use Schwarber for relievers.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:55 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77204
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
good dolphin wrote:
Cashman wrote:
[I would trade him for Chapman and Miller. .


of course you would. So would anybody but the Yankees. I don't want to single you out because I have seen this type of talk bandied about by several Cub fans.

You are both overvaluing Schwarber and undervaluing the other two

That's ok. The Cubs can sit there with their competitive prospects while some other GM makes the championship move. Then you can do the same again next year.


The Cubs have other prospects to trade.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU
Top
 Profile  
 
leashyourkids
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Kirkwood wrote:
You don't use Schwarber for relievers.


Correct.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 2 of 4
  [ 91 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO CUBS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group