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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:08 pm 
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John Hollinger doesn't care much for the new-look Bulls:

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Burning question: Is there enough shooting?
There are a lot of questions one could underline here, the most obvious of which is “what exactly are we trying to do here?” Going all-in with assets just to reach the point of quasi-respectable averageness leaves the obvious unanswered question of how to get beyond it.

But let’s see the glass half full and suppose the overarching strategy pays off. Below the surface, another important micro question looms for a team that was 19th in offense: Is there enough shooting here to succeed as a modern NBA offense?

Chicago was respectable in the 3-point department a year ago — 13th in accuracy and 18th in frequency — but other than LaVine, even the drivers of that performance are mostly gone. Markkanen might have been a frustrating player, but he shot 40.2 percent from 3 on 10.2 attempts per 100; no other Bull aside from LaVine came anywhere near that, and none of the newbies do, either.

The only other Bull to take more than 200 attempts and make more than 35 percent was White, who might be out of a job this year. Valentine and Temple didn’t shoot lights out, but they were fourth and fifth on the team in 3-point attempts. Just replacing that volume will be a challenge, especially with a key perimeter player, DeRozan, shooting 3s once every leap year.

The biggest hope for offsetting 3-point accuracy would come from Vucevic, who made a career-best 40 percent last year on the season and 38.8 percent as a Bull. In terms of volume, there’s also Ball. He’s quietly become one of the league’s most improved shooters; his 12.4 attempts per 100 last season would have led the team, and he made 37.8 percent of them. And Williams, though he much preferred wandering into two-dribble pull-ups, made 39.1 percent of his rare 3-point attempts. Even with DeRozan a non-entity from the arc, there is a glass-half-full case that the starting five will have plus shooting.

As for the bench … egads. White is by far the best marksman of this crew, but even he is pushing to get to league average, plus he’s still recovering from a shoulder injury. Caruso is accurate with his feet set (37.1 percent career) but needs a ton of time and space and thus shoots 3s infrequently. The others — Bradley, Jones, Green, Brown and the two Johnsons — are players other teams won’t even bother guarding at the line. The rookie Dosunmu shot 34.5 percent from 3 for his college career, so he likely won’t shift the equation much.

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The Bulls made a lot of moves to improve on last season’s 11th-place finish, but when I run through all the projections for the East, I end up with Chicago finishing … 11th.

Look deeper, and the first sentence describes things too negatively. The Bulls surely will have a better record than a year ago. While my forecast says 11th, that’s something of a worst-case scenario; they will clearly outclass the four teams behind them and only project to finish a few games out of seventh. In other words, they’re likely a Play-In candidate whose positioning within that group might be heavily determined by chance.

The key factors are going to be how much DeRozan can actually move the needle in Chicago and whether the Bulls’ most-used lineups will have enough shooting to function at a high level. This team will need to score, because even with Markkanen gone, the Bulls won’t be a defensive juggernaut. Having LaVine, DeRozan and Vucevic as the three core pieces pretty much assures they’ll surrender some points, even with a few good defenders in secondary roles.

The one way Chicago could really exceed this prediction is the one spot we haven’t really talked about: Williams. A breakout year from the second-year pro could potentially solve a lot of problems, from the iffy 3-point shooting to the lack of a defensive stopper to the paucity of quality forwards. Alas, projecting such a leap so soon requires an extremely rosy view of his body of work. The same might be said of the Bulls’ offseason.

Prediction: 37-45, 11th in Eastern Conference


You mean Mr. Advanced Stats himself? All the more reason to put money on the wood for them. There is no bigger reason for the decline of the NBA product than that clown. I knew he'd skew heavily towards the so called "efficiency" side of things that the modern day NBA loves so much.


Hollinger is going to be on with Parkins and Spiegel around 5:20 PM CDT later today.

It should be interesting to hear his explanation regarding his errant projections--especially his claim that Derozan would prove to be the worst free agent signing of the summer.


I'm sure he will make it about Derozan's lack of 3 point shooting history. Hollinger is one of the guys that values and devalues everyone based upon their ability/non ability to shoot 3's. I'm not going to lie I have always been partial to the mid-range shot and I hated when the league began talking about that being "the worst shot in basketball". Hollinger is one of the primary reasons for the shift in philosophy.

I'm glad to see Derozan sticking it to guys like him right now. In fairness to Hollinger most of the scribes in the league proclaimed this when they Bulls signed Derozan. Thanks for the heads up TM. I will be listening in the car around that time.

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Thanks for the heads up TM. I will be listening in the car around that time.

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the reason 3 point shooting teams win is because they open up the mid and inside game to be more effective. that doesnt mean every player needs to be a 3 shooter. the bulls have plenty of them. derozen doesnt need to.

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The Bulls are quietly about a .500 team after the hot 5-0 or whatever it was start. Perhaps this is explained by losing the big man.

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The Bulls are quietly about a .500 team after the hot 5-0 or whatever it was start. Perhaps this is explained by losing the big man.


What's their record since Coby White returned? :lol:

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That's nothing

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Yes and no, obviously the joke is they’d just trade it for cash anyway, but there’s a lot of good players coming out of the 2nd round. ltg will tell you Lonzo isn’t even worth a 2nd though :lol:


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Yes and no, obviously the joke is they’d just trade it for cash anyway, but there’s a lot of good players coming out of the 2nd round. ltg will tell you Lonzo isn’t even worth a 2nd though :lol:



It's nothing because they should've gotten a worse penalty. Bucks got the same penalty for tampering with Bogdonavich, a player they ended up losing because of the tampering. Bulls/Heat tampered and got their guy yet received the same punishment as the Bucks. Doesn't make sense.

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Just because you’re bad at tampering doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have a lighter punishment.

We’re a long way from the 5 firsts for Joe Smith ages.


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veganfan21 wrote:
The Bulls are quietly about a .500 team after the hot 5-0 or whatever it was start. Perhaps this is explained by losing the big man.

They're the #2 seed in the East :lol:

Tough for me to complain

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Currently #4 in ESPN's power rankings

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Loved hearing both Bill Simmons and Kevin Clark agree the Bulls "are in that small group of teams that can absolutely win the Finals this year" on his latest podcast

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if this team is anywhere close to a finals, with their youth, we wont care about the next 5 years of no 2nd round picks.

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UFA 2023

Would you try to work out a trade to get him for 2022?

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UFA 2023

Would you try to work out a trade to get him for 2022?



:lol: :lol: What do you think the Bulls have that can get them Jokic?

They could offer their entire roster and Denver would laugh and hang up the phone.

Only shot is if Jokic demands out and says the Bulls are one of the only places he will sign. Even then, they don't have any assets worth nearly enough to get Jokic.

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UFA 2023

Would you try to work out a trade to get him for 2022?



:lol: :lol: What do you think the Bulls have that can get them Jokic?

They could offer their entire roster and Denver would laugh and hang up the phone.

Only shot is if Jokic demands out and says the Bulls are one of the only places he will sign. Even then, they don't have any assets worth nearly enough to get Jokic.


Bulls would be stupid to offer their entire roster for Jokic.

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Bulls gonna be pulling players from CFMB Hoops IV at this rate.


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Alfonzo McKinnie come on down!. I'm happy for Alfonz.

https://wgntv.com/sports/bulls/chicago- ... the-bulls/

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Heat with seven 3’s in the first….yikes.

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The Bulls bench sure is full of guys that have names, I'll tell you that much.


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Sources saying jokich to bulls for 3 future 1st round picks and coby white

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Sources saying jokich to bulls for 3 future 1st round picks and coby white


That’d be interesting. They would all be 20+ picks….

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C. White and D. Jones Jr + a 2nd round pick for D.Rose, Knicks ain't happening this year, Kemba bad signing.

Rose has another year on his deal + team option for 2023-2024.

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