So glad I'm not listening

Damn, 15 years ago this story would probably get "gay" drops from Goff.

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

It's really this quote that bugs me.



Why "probably?" That's a perfectly good response until you blundered out probably. Right or wrong, if handling it differently cost you the Cup you 100% wouldn't do it, I get it. I'm sure most people get it. So if you're going to go with the PR spin, go all in. "Absolutely!" I'm sure he was supposed to say something to that effect, but his brain was like "lol, I don't believe you" and hedged it.

Ask a Leaf fan if they would take 3 Cups in the next decade and it only costs 1 prospect getting some head from a video nerd that he may have very well wanted given the lack of fighting off the much smaller man. 90% of Toronto fans asked anonymously make that trade.

They might have to make such a Faustian bargain as Marner isn't going to do it for them

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I think raking Toews and Kane over the coals for their current comments is a bit shortsighted. They're athletes, trained from day 1 to literally be athletes, education be damned. I mean Toews is Canadian and Kaner is from Buffalo, which is like being in Canada. They're morons. Getting outraged over what they say, especially right after a game, is just looking for another reason to be outraged.

This whole thing is disgusting. Punish the office, punish the coaching staff, at this point, I'd agree that from the assistants up should probably never work in hockey again. Q should probably be suspended today, based on what came out in that report.

_________________

Because you keep on repeating it doesn't make it the true or right take. It's your opinion, and while I generally agree with most of your hockey takes and Barstool thoughts, this take is the reason why this kind of abuse of power happens.

_________________
An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

Yeah, it's just a dumb take. Like there's some advanced stat that tells you the the proper number of sexual abuse cases that are worth 1 Stanley Cup. "5 harassed teens for 1 Cup? That's fine. 6? Sorry that's too much." If you're okay with any number greater than one, just admit you don't care how many the number actually is.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.

_________________

He's not serious. It's just a bit to pay for his kids to go to college.



He's just a shock jock.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.

I watched the TSN interview and read most of the legal report.
There is zero chance Quenneville, Cheveldayoff, and Fehr survive this. Feet will be dragged, but they're done.

It will be very difficult to prove Bettman and the anyone in the Wirtz family knew and turned a blind eye. McDonough would have to be willing to burn it all down. I'm pretty sure that's already been planned for when McDonough was launched last year.

Beach was 20 years old....likely wasn't very smart and was manipulated. It's that simple. The only the thing that Blackhawks had to do was immediately remove Aldrich and investigated / charged his ass once the season was over. This was a completely avoidable disaster.

_________________

Even if Aldrich was convincing enough to make them believe that the act was consensual, he assaulted an intern inside a cab too. He should have never been around the cup celebration or been allowed to take the cup around kids. The employment recommendation was by far their biggest mistake the Blackhawks made. That was completely avoidable.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

I haven't taken a deep dive into this topic, but I was thinking the same thing. Why was Aldrich worthy of protection? He was behaving like a lunatic, just get rid of him. If it was a credibility question between him and Beach, why would Beach lie about something like this?

read the affidavit.

the blackhawks 'investigated' the alleged claim of sexual assault and got 3 conflicting stories..from the video coach, john doe and a female 3rd party; who was in the presence of both men at the bar and the condo. the club couldn't just take john doe at his word and fire the video coach and approach the authorities. the video coach may have sued the club for sexual discrimination based on his sexual orientation. he was under contract.

i agree that the hockey club royally messed this up by not further investigating while putting the video coach on paid leave. i believe that's what they should have done. they further goofed when they gave the video coach the option to resign or deal with a further investigation for his continued employment. the video coach chose the predator option - move on to new fertile ground.

no doubt the club messed up after the initial investigation. why didn't john doe go to the authorities on his own?

While I agree that the vacillating by the Hawks was their downfall, reading the report it seems like Hawks management perception was that it was just a coach coming on to a player and that nothing physical happened. I think that maybe contributed to sitting on the situation for a couple weeks.

From the report

There are multiple accounts of what occurred during the meeting of those
senior leaders at the United Center on May 23, 2010. Gary stated that he
shared with the senior leaders that Aldrich was pressuring John Doe for sex
and threatening to harm John Doe’s career if John Doe did not comply. Others
recall Gary’s comments as less stark—that Aldrich had tried to “get under the
sheets” with John Doe. At a minimum, the senior leaders, including thenPresident John McDonough, were informed of alleged sexual harassment of a
player by a coach, including efforts by the coach to engage in unwelcome
sexual activity with that player. Several witnesses recalled or later told others
about a discussion that ensued during the meeting regarding whether the time
was right to address the allegations against Aldrich in light of the need to
protect team chemistry and avoid bad publicity during the ongoing playoffs.

I read that report or as much as I could pay attention to and I took away what enigma did. It wasn't real clear to me if the Blackhawks were aware something physical happened or not.

_________________

The event happened back in 2010, a year during which Bernstein would've used "gay" drops to describe Aldrich and Beach.

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

https://www.tsn.ca/alleged-assaults-of- ... -1.1659115

I can't figure out why they kept Aldrich around or why they'd give any sort of recommendation to a high school.

I also don't understand why it would be the Blackhawks responsibility to report it to the police, wouldn't the victim have to do that?

Police would've probably laughed louder than the locker room when they saw Beach next to Aldrich.

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

That Aldrich put the moves on a player and got reported for it should have been more than enough for his summary dismissal...regardless of anything else.

_________________

This

_________________

Exactly, but it still warranted an immediate investigation and either suspending Aldrich pending investigation, or at least telling Alrdrich to stay away from Beach, if not all the players, while an investigation was pending. They stuck their heads in the sand and did not learn the more sordid stuff, which led to the intern being groped and Q writing a reference for this guy and a 15 year kid being molested.

You're killing me with this line of reasoning to be honest. It's a bit much. But let's say things unfolded how you think they should have. Beach beats this guy up... and Ends up with a criminal battery charge. Is that what should have happened?

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Can’t have that either because it might have cost them the Cup.

I doubt the Hawks would have gone to the lengths they did to cover up a fight.

_________________

A coach or employee, male or female, fraternizing with players should be an automatic suspension/dismissal. Their handling of the situation is just bizarre.

_________________

On M&H this morning, they played a clip from the TSN interview where Beach said something to the effect of ‘everybody knew - players, coaches, staff, media…’

M&H used that clip in the context of a discussion about what the players should’ve done. I thought it was odd that the media around the team seemed to be be aware (according to Beach) but never said a word.

_________________

Yeah...I kinda figured he meant the broadcast teams.

_________________

I can't put myself in Beach's skates. But I can be sympathetic to Beach while still not thinking a bunch of eighth grade graduates, many of whom were only a few years older than Beach himself, and all of whom were part of a "world of men" subculture for most of their lives are monsters for making some gay jokes.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.