It would be bad form to not charge these people with a hate crime.

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Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

Should of

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

This is what happens when you turn a knife wielding criminal high on PCP into a hero. Chicago's one-of-a-kind community at it again folks! Absolutely zero chance they accept responsibility for enabling this kind of shit, just like they refuse to accept responsibility for 750+ homicides.

I'm heated about this and I have every right to be. I genuinely like black Chicagoans, but they have to stop tolerating this barbarism from their own.

Well "a guy like me" used a question mark at the end. I was querying if that will be the reasoning for no hate crime. I have heard before and may have read on this board that blacks can't be racist. I don't agree with that nor do I remember the context of the conversation but I think it was because they do not hold the power over whites.

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A lot of people use "racism" and "prejudice" and "bigotry" interchangeably. Racism is a larger concept than simply dislike or hatred of a person due to his or her immutable qualities. It's not that black people are incapable of being racist given the opportunity. It's that such opportunity doesn't exist in larger American society.

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Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.

True.

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I don't understand your last sentence. Who represents "they" and says they won't tolerate this?

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

YIKES!

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Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

Probably not going to be charged with a race-motivated hate crime:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/late ... k-44570046



Hate crime laws are unconstitutional, this person was not equally protected by hate crime statutes.

Jesus if that ain't a hate crime....

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They still could be charged with a hate crime for attacking him because he has a mental disability (or if they thought he had a disability), however considering 4 black assailants shouting "fuck white people" why they mercilessly beat a white kidnapping victim isn't enough for a racially-motivated hate crime charge, I doubt his disability will matter, either.

I've never liked the idea of hate crimes, it is ridiculous. I didn't watch the video, these pieces of shit will get charged with kidnapping, aggravated battery and receive lengthy sentences ( over 25 years) ...what more do you expect?

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Nothing. That would be fine. I have long been against criminalizing someone's motive for a crime (hate crimes, possession with intent to distribute, in aide of racketeering, etc.). It inherently eats away at equal protection.

About a week or two ago in Milwaukee there were three people that taped the beating of a guy that was
in their apartment that they suspected of stealing drug paraphernalia. They beat the crap out of him and
dumped the body in an alley where he eventually succumbed to the cold and died. Two men and a woman
just had their initial court appearances. They taped the entire thing and put it on social media. Not sure
what they thought was going to happen.

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Flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami

Some people bring out the worst in one another. They commit crimes they might not have done if alone or with someone else. Also, the Cubs suck.

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Well, intentions do matter. Our entire justice system is based on intentions. That said, weighing the motivations behind a crime that is clearly hateful does indeed call equal protection into question and- as typified by this case- can be far too subjective. I highly doubt that four 18 year old white people who tortured a mentally deficient black guy would receive the benefit of having their slurs during the criminal act categorized as "just stupid ranting" by the authorities.

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Intent matters in our justice system, yes, it is an essential element of criminal activity (usually). Intent, however, is not motivation. These people displayed a specific intent to kidnap and batter this person for an extended period of time, the motive for that intent is very clearly racial hatred. In only a few places in our justice system (organized crime, drug crimes) do we specifically criminalize motive, which is really, reeeeeaaaallllly close to criminalizing thought, because it creates an extra element of crime that has no actus reus, unless the prohibited act is going to be "hating that person because of their race".

I agree.

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that was well expressed. i learned a bunch from that post (except for the funny talk, which made me giggle)

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I agree with JORR that intentions matter, but in many cases the crime specifies that distinction and carries different penalties (Premeditated murder vs. involuntary manslaughter, etc.). I don't like having a separate charge of "hate crime."

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I thought this was about the 2016 Chicago Bears football dvd.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No way are they getting 25 years. My guess is a plea deal when the noise dies down , maybe 3-5 max.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

This. Hate crimes usually are simply duplicating stuff on the books but it makes people feel good. In this case it isn't simply assault and battery but it is aggravated. That exists. If you want levels then make levels numerically. The hate part clouds things.

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That's one point of view.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Have photos of all involved been posted yet? Would prefer a graduation photo or at least dress shirt be used in the media per typical practice

I am sure outside of this instance they are all good kids.

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Yeah, one based on the definition of racism as "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

I don't really see how a black person in the United States could possibly believe that his race was the superior one. And even if he somehow convinced himself of such a premise, it would be a viewpoint that was so overwhelmed by majority disagreement as to be utterly meaningless.

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