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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:56 pm 
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Well black people cant be racist so.... no hate crime? Fuck these idiots.


You are aware that blacks can be charged with hate crime? Why do you feel like blacks are treated better than a guy like you?

Black people can be racist as hell, but I still don't rank them higher than latinos or whites on the racist culture scale.


Well "a guy like me" used a question mark at the end. I was querying if that will be the reasoning for no hate crime. I have heard before and may have read on this board that blacks can't be racist. I don't agree with that nor do I remember the context of the conversation but I think it was because they do not hold the power over whites.


A lot of people use "racism" and "prejudice" and "bigotry" interchangeably. Racism is a larger concept than simply dislike or hatred of a person due to his or her immutable qualities. It's not that black people are incapable of being racist given the opportunity. It's that such opportunity doesn't exist in larger American society.



Agreed. Blacks can be prejudiced. Blacks can't be racist. Blacks can't deny whites access to things that they wish to have. That is racism at its core. Blacks can discriminate but their discrimination will not prevent whites from gaining access to things that they seek to have.

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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:06 pm 
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long time guy wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Well black people cant be racist so.... no hate crime? Fuck these idiots.


You are aware that blacks can be charged with hate crime? Why do you feel like blacks are treated better than a guy like you?

Black people can be racist as hell, but I still don't rank them higher than latinos or whites on the racist culture scale.


Well "a guy like me" used a question mark at the end. I was querying if that will be the reasoning for no hate crime. I have heard before and may have read on this board that blacks can't be racist. I don't agree with that nor do I remember the context of the conversation but I think it was because they do not hold the power over whites.


A lot of people use "racism" and "prejudice" and "bigotry" interchangeably. Racism is a larger concept than simply dislike or hatred of a person due to his or her immutable qualities. It's not that black people are incapable of being racist given the opportunity. It's that such opportunity doesn't exist in larger American society.



Agreed. Blacks can be prejudiced. Blacks can't be racist. Blacks can't deny whites access to things that they wish to have. That is racism at its core. Blacks can discriminate but their discrimination will not prevent whites from gaining access to things that they seek to have.


That is one understanding of the definition. If I remember correctly it is the way Jesse Jackson chose to define it, which always seemed very convenient to me.

I think this understanding presents difficulties because of the interchangeable use of the words described above as it absolves those minorities (in the US) from guilt for some unpleasant thoughts and actions that are identical in kind to what they would describe as racist if created by someone in the majority

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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
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That is one understanding of the definition. If I remember correctly it is the way Jesse Jackson chose to define it, which always seemed very convenient to me.

I think this understanding presents difficulties because of the interchangeable use of the words described above as it absolves those minorities (in the US) from guilt for some unpleasant thoughts and actions that are identical in kind to what they would describe as racist if created by someone in the majority


What happened to that guy was not prejudiced or bigotry though. It may not have come from a place of superiority but it doesn't make it less wrong or somehow better.


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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
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In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact. Conversely If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism

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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
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In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact conversely. If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism


Are you ever going to give this one up? I don't think you really see nor do you want to see what happened.


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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
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In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact conversely. If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism


Are you ever going to give this one up?



I actually have. I don't comment about Trump much these days but if a person wants to understand racism then that's a good example. Blacks would not have been able to prevent it even if they tried.

You could pick entertainment or any other thing and you'd find this to be the case. This was but one example. I could cite others if that would make you more comfortable.

I really don't think you understand the point. I could substitute Bush Reagan Clinton or any other politician running for President and it would still be the case. That is why one race constitutes a minority and the other a majority. I was responding to Dolphin's post.

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long time guy wrote:
In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact. Conversely If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism


What? So just the fact that white's outnumber blacks means racism?


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 Post subject: Re: Torture Video
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. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't.


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. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't.


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In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact. Conversely If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism


What? So just the fact that white's outnumber blacks means racism?



Yeah, I wouldn't say the sheer numbers are racism or the fact that Trump or any other white guy was elected as president. It's the mere belief that one race is superior to another and that structures are set up based on that belief.

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Yeah, I wouldn't say the sheer numbers are racism or the fact that Trump or any other white guy was elected as president. It's the mere belief that one race is superior to another and that structures are set up based on that belief.


Is long time guy racist because he believes he is superior to white people who at least a third of or way more are racist? How's that work exactly?


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Blacks can't deny whites access to things that they wish to have.
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In a sense it can but that is why terms like prejudice or discrimination need to be used instead of racism. This past election is a perfect example. If Blacks wanted to prevent Trump from being president they couldn't. Many did in fact. Conversely If Whites wanted to prevent Obama from being President they could have. Blacks did not have the power to elect Obama solely on the black vote.

Blacks lacked the power to prevent Trump from being President. That is but one example. You pick any entity and this would pretty much be the case. That is racism


What? So just the fact that white's outnumber blacks means racism?



In this instance no. If whites chose to manifest it in a way which denied blacks access to the Presidency they could. It doesn't apply to every instance but within the framework of an electoral system it could be. Barack Obama could be denied access to the Presidency If Whites Didn't Vote For him.

Racism at its very core is a denial of access. Whites have the power to deny blacks access to any entity for which they seek. Blacks don't have such power to do the same. Blacks can be biased, prejudiced, discriminatory but their biases do not systematically deny whites anything. That is the fundamental difference.

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo

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Huh? Black people cant be racist? What?

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Huh? Black people cant be racist? What?


If you define "racism" in an incredibly narrow and dubious way, yes. It's semanticizing for little ostensible result.


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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

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Huh? Black people cant be racist? What?


If you define "racism" in an incredibly narrow and dubious way, yes. It's semanticizing for little ostensible result.


I'm sure that if I asked someone to describe what black racism consists of they'd have a pretty difficult time telling me. The belief that you are superior doesn't quite cover it either.

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


I don't think they should get life in jail but decades seem about right to me along with some prison justice.

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


It is difficult to ascertain. I don't know what the maximum sentence happens to be but I think they should receive at least 70% of it. There will be people that will argue about their age and there will also be those that will attempt to use race as a way of providing a defense for them. I honestly don't think it should fly though.

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Huh? Black people cant be racist? What?


If you define "racism" in an incredibly narrow and dubious way, yes. It's semanticizing for little ostensible result.


I'm sure that if I asked someone to describe what black racism consists of they'd have a pretty difficult time telling me. The belief that you are superior doesn't quite cover it either.


I agree that the term "racism" has become saturated to the point of now being substituted for "inequality", but it seems to me that rolling the definition all the way back to only include "belief of racial superiority" is a bit pedantic. "because of their race" or "but for their race" modifiers are sufficient, to me.


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Reshaped as "...playful fight which then escalated..."

Also "could get up to 10 years [in prison]"

Kidnapping with torture and racism by adults is 10 years?
In IL that means about 5-6 years, what?


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doesnt this prove the indian american war was beneficial to modern society. kinda obvious an american african war is long overdue.

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


It is difficult to ascertain. I don't know what the maximum sentence happens to be but I think they should receive at least 70% of it. There will be people that will argue about their age and there will also be those that will attempt to use race as a way of providing a defense for them. I honestly don't think it should fly though.




Kidnappings is no joke, you can get 25-30 years for kidnappings..I didn't watch the video and have no desire to..I'm guessing they all cop pleas and accept 10-12 year sentence rather than roll the dice and get 40 years.

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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


It is difficult to ascertain. I don't know what the maximum sentence happens to be but I think they should receive at least 70% of it. There will be people that will argue about their age and there will also be those that will attempt to use race as a way of providing a defense for them. I honestly don't think it should fly though.

The National reporter on ABC said that what they were charged with carries a maximum penalty of 50 years. That sounds about right. Lock these things up until they are in their 60s, and then they can bag groceries for minimum wage until they die.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


I don't think they should get life in jail but decades seem about right to me along with some prison justice.


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long time guy wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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Just saw this, disgusting disturbing and deserving of a little outside justice imo


Agreed. I hope the legal system bod slams them for this.

This is the interesting part. How much time would be fair in this case? These are four 18 yr olds. Should their lives effectively be over because of this ?


It is difficult to ascertain. I don't know what the maximum sentence happens to be but I think they should receive at least 70% of it. There will be people that will argue about their age and there will also be those that will attempt to use race as a way of providing a defense for them. I honestly don't think it should fly though.

The National reporter on ABC said that what they were charged with carries a maximum penalty of 50 years. That sounds about right. Lock these things up until they are in their 60s, and then they can bag groceries for minimum wage until they die.


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