That's kind of my point. MANY are simply predisposed to consider Trump the wrong guy. And he may be. But the way he is being covered and the way MANY are responding to his election seem irrational.

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Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

And you don't think he played any role in that himself?

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Of course not. Everyonr is being unfair to him and he's done nothing wrong. We should just believe chas is a great guy that believes in unity. It's in his heart.

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Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU

JORR is the only non-biased one.

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Honestly, do you think Trump could say or do anything that you wouldn't criticize?

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I find it interesting that everybody who wants to criticize Trump in this thread completely ignored this.

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Trump and Obama's speeches were not comparable. Trump's was disrespectful and completely negative. Obama's was not. Your AP example was a really good one showing media bias. This is a very poor example.

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Absolutely. My thoughts on this message board are not all-encompassing. I just tend to fall against him in most conversations on this board because I generally dislike him and I generally disagree with those who defend him. I could probably list dozens of things that if Trump delivered on, I would be happy about and would give him credit for. Don't mistake me for a liberal who doesn't like the big, bad Conservative. I don't align like that, and that should be fairly obvious. I just don't like the guy or much of what he stands for.

That said, I'm not the one who ever said I wasn't biased. Do you think there's anything the media could criticize him for that you wouldn't say was biased?

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Jorr and leash are both hopelessly biased. It'll be a cold day in hell before leash gives Trump sincere credit for anything or before jorr agrees with a criticism of Trump without adding a "But, ....." the following paragraph.

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All of us are biased about everything by definition.

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See, I agree this is biased. There's no argument otherwise. But that doesn't mean everything is.

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I'm not sure JORR is saying everything is. But if the AP is then it's clear the problem is a big one.

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So everyone and everything is biased, or no?

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There are tons of legitimate criticisms of Trump. He lies like a motherfucker all the time. But the reader/viewer should be mindful of how the general dislike for Trump by the media is influencing coverage.

But take the King bust thing for example. The guy from Time found it easy to believe. He wanted to believe it. So he hastily tweeted fake news. Sure, he apologized, after a bunch of other "reporters" spread the lie. And now there are MANY people who believe Trump had King's bust removed. And others who say, "Well, It doesn't matter that he didn't. I'm sure he wants to."

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I agree.

To be fair, I think part of the problem is Trump is such an outlandish person that it becomes pretty easy to spread fake news about him. I mean, if I saw the headline "Trump vows to send ground troops into China within six months" I would think it was fake, but I'd still feel obligated to make sure.

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@FF

Yes, everyone is biased about everything, unless you feel that we all experience an identical perception of reality. And even then, we've all led different lives that skew our perceptions.

My point in agreeing with the bias of the AP is that it is egregious bias that wasn't even attempting to limit itself.

Are you really telling me you couldn't have made that inference on your own? You're smarter than that.

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Just admit you love him and we can move on.

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It's the same inference you should have made originally when responding that everyone is biased.

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That's a good point, actually. You got me. Everybody gets lucky now and then.

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Why do you think it was any more disrespectful than Obama insisting we need hope and change? It's just a different way of saying Bush sucks.

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Because I watched both speeches and that's the unbiased way of viewing it. Words have meanings. I would think you, more than most, would appreciate that. Obama's speech called for change but it never went negative and he never disrespected Bush. Trump directly disrespected Obama and the job he did. There was a noticeable difference. If you can't see that you may not be the unbiased observer you believe yourself to be.

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Of course. But here's the thing- and either the media will come to terms with it or they won't- Trump talks the way you and I are talking here. Sometimes we say dumb stuff and later try to clarify or admit that it was dumb. Trump tends to just gaslight and pretend he never said it. John McWhorter said that what is so jarring about Trump is that we are used to presidents "Speaking", meaning their words are measured and carry a certain weight, whereas Trump "talks", meaning he just says what he's thinking at the time like FavreFan and LTG discussing hoops.

From things you've written I get the impression you believe that president shouldn't "talk" in that way. Maybe you're right and the office demands a certain dignity that cannot be achieved by talking like a regular guy. But McWhorter also points out that there has been a gradual casualness to the behavior of president over a long period of time. Remember when Bill Clinton played his saxophone on Arsenio? That would have been unheard of for Eisenhower. But even the relatively buttoned down Nixon said, "Sock it to me!" on Laugh In. It's similar to the increasing casualness we find acceptable in air travel. I'm on a small island with my sport coat. That didn't happen overnight. Does anyone "dress for dinner" anymore? On those days when I wear a suit and tie, I'm almost certainly the only guy on my El car dressed that way. With Trump it seems we have reached an apex of casualness and off the cuff tweeting and talking by the president.

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Words do have meanings. I said that Trump's speech hit more negative notes than a "normal" inaugural address, but the meaning is the same. Every candidate pretty much runs on changing something. I think running on "hope and change" is just as "disrespectful" of Bush as Trump was of Obama. But I wouldn't really use the word "disrespectful". It's politics.

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I think we've had this conversation before a couple times and actually agree for the most part. Then some story gets published and we end up regurgitating the same arguments

To what's been said above I'd add that there are objective metrics out there to demonstrate the degree of Trump's mendacity. So since stories have to correct the record at times that whole process creates the impression of "negative coverage" when in fact a great deal of stories that are critical of Trump are critical because they are simply correcting the record. That does not mean stories dont arbitrarily take shots at Trump as jorr demonstrated, though I think it's more egregious when CNN or the the WaPo does it than someone like...Jezebel or HuffPo.

I agree with FF's take on the speech and I think you can objectively prove it was negative. I wouldn't say it singled out Obama but rather singled out every single politician on that stage, including the presidents. That's basically in line with the anti establishment tenor of the campaign. That Trump has populated his cabinet with establishment individuals is another story, but the rhetoric is consistent with the gloom and doom type feeling of his campaign.

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I simply don't see how you can't see the differences between the two speeches. That's that bias thing coming into play.

If you and I have a business and you tell an employee "try to be a little more detailed the next time you type a report" and I say "that report was one of the most pathetic things I've ever read you moron. Stop being such a loser and do a better job." We didn't really say the same thing.

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There ain't nothin' more powerful than the odor of mendacity.

They're different in tone, but not in content. The content in just about every one boils down to, "These other fucks were doing it wrong. I'm gonna do it right. Thank you for voting for me."

I would have considered it disrespectful if Trump had stood up there in front of Obama and discussed how he was going to dismantle Obamacare.

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