80s? 90s?


It seems to me that in most situations, the majority of Americans default to siding with management over labor.

There are many people who will say "they're running a busines" to justify just about any and everything.

Case by case basis...for the most part, I still side with labor, but in a situation like Julio Jones, and athletes that hold out in total, I side with management because as far as I'm concerned, a holdout constitutes a breach of contract, and a breaking of your word...at the core of everything, people are only as good as their word.

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Yeah but owners are gazillionaires who can use their collectively bargained rights to terminate a contract anytime they want so they don’t have to live up to their “word”

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Id agree with you if teams were beholden to contracts like the players, but they are not.


But in general, there seems to be a lot of "hey fuck you, you're lucky they gave you that job" instead of "hey, good luck getting what your worth, we all should!"

Seems like a lot of us have become what used to be termed house slaves yelling at field slaves to stay in line. Keep defending the masters.

Sports teams are quite different than the rest of society. I view it as my team vs labor. When a player holds out, it is not like I am cheering for Ryan Pace. I am cheering/wanting the Bears to be competitive. I don't really hold it against the player, but rather, I just want the person on the field to play for my team.

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When everybody started going to college.

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This is beyond sports and Julio Jones. Across the whole spectrum you see more and more of this. Right to work, the demonization of unions, etc.

Interesting theory.

It’s not true though. College grads are still less than half of the country. I would guess non-grads tend to be less labor friendly in their voting patterns as well.

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Well he didnt say college grads. What percentage of the country goes to at least some college?

I'd say this is largely happening because the face of unions we see most often are the public sector unions and they are quite simply leeches upon the taxpayers.

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Left/Dems = union.

Then they added civil rights.

Don't like uppity Blacks (and now all these other Brown Folx)? Then you can't like their party.

Hence, fuck unions.

Probably about the time the "WHO GOES FIRST (you may select two options)" thread was started.

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I think right now 35% are grads of four-year universities. Those with associates degrees or other certifications (or those simply with hours) brings it to nearly 60%. If I remember correctly.

Even 25 years ago, less than 25% of Americans had four-year degrees.

It's true, though; some people hate hate hate unions. Their grandparents are spinning in their graves.

My epiphany came when JLN and Darkside began arguing with JORR about banning those who refused to stop using racist slurs.

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Maybe also with some of the stupid union rules, like how convention-goers used to complain that they couldn't change a light bulb without bringing a union electrician over, who would charge them up the yingyang. (Whether that is true or not, I have no idea, but that story has legs.)

Or the punk-ass kid who gets a job at Jewel and sees that his first paychecks is for four dollars because he had to pay for a uniform and $90 in union fees.

go back to Russia

The same reasons everybody sides with the rich probably

First of all, bolded = awesome

I don't want to get too far into the union rabbit hole because this isnt just about unions. It permeates everything. We have a nationwide fetish for authority. Which feels weird considering the whole "by the people, for the people" thing.

Fuck off red.

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We hold up successful people as heroes. It applies to actors, musicians, athletes, and CEO's. The country craves to see and hear about successful people. How they did it. How they live. They make movies about Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg.

It is perfectly American to look up to and hold these folks in high regard.

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Yeah, and it's difficult to discuss the nobility of unions within the context of Chicago and its gangster politics and corruption. For example, I've discussed unions with Seacrest on many occasions and while I don't think he is anti-union in the larger sense, he always returns to his practical experiences with Chicago unions.

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We'd be better off looking up to August Spies or Sacco & Vanzetti.

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Public unions' assholery
Rise of knowledge economy and cubicle workers

Well I don't think taking one college course or several would much change someone's outlook. I would say this on your question:

1. Is it true?

2. It if is what are all the factors that you think go into it?

I would say that the rise of the billionaire celebrity is certainly a major factor as is the idea that everyone is an entrepreneur.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Guys, the caricature of the evil poor guy evolved when shows like "Roseanne" and "Good Times" ended. The Lovie Smith-looking John Amos did his part to glorify poverty... Besides, shouldn't we all make the same anount of money anyway?

Mine was working for Eagle one summer. First 60 days I was okay non union but they came in on day 61 to sign me up. I think to work the last 3 weeks before going back to school I would have walked away with a hundred bucks or something. Maybe 200. I told the rep nope and my boss just said thanks (he had warned me this was likely and told me to just say no and quit).

This mult almost got me. Desperate times for the distract and redirect crowd.

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