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Since Ryan Poles has taken over the Bears have spent an almost unbelievable sum of resources on pass catchers and only gotten steadily worse at moving the ball through the air as time as gone on. They have totally missed the plot. It’s just pure desperation to make Caleb Williams work even if it means the team is going to get pasted by any team who is decent up front.


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Seems that Caleb Williams doesn’t like Kmet for some reason. There were many games last year where Kmet had almost no targets…and I doubt it was because Kmet wasn’t open.

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This is obviously a Johnson pick, as were the offensive line acquisitions during free agency.

As if I wasn’t already extremely wary of Ben Johnson for him signing up to work with Caleb Williams, Ryan Poles and the inbred McCaskeys this pick is a very bad sign.


Well, given Poles' track record, I think it's preferable that Johnson have more influence rather than less influence in the team's personnel decisions.

But yeah, Johnson's choice to work with the Bears and Williams--while also being OK with Poles as GM--does raise a lot of questions.

The team still has major weaknesses on both lines. Hopefully they can start addressing them in Round 2.

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on the OL side, what were they going to do at that spot? Three OT had already been taken with the next one coming in at 29. Maybe they would have gone in a different direction if Banks were still on th board. They would have been drafting for depth at OG, which you shouldn't do at 10.

DE/Edge/DT was a different story. Nolan would have been a reach but you could justify it. The edge guys were all projection, with pretty low sack numbers in college. There will be guys at 39 who are just as good of a prospect at Edge as 10. It's just a matter of taste

Personally, I would have gone with Mykell Williams, but I think Loveland is a higher graded prospect on EVERYONE's boards. Shouldn't we be looking for BPA that high in the draft? I'll trust Johnson has a plan for him and Kmet.

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I think you answered your own question. No good OL left? Go DL.

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Loveland is who Johnson wanted for his offense.

I don't think it's a bad pick at all. He seems to have good hands and speed. Kap likes the pick.

Kmet dropped a lot of balls last year that he shouldn't have.


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Personally, I would have gone with Mykell Williams, but I think Loveland is a higher graded prospect on EVERYONE's boards. Shouldn't we be looking for BPA that high in the draft? I'll trust Johnson has a plan for him and Kmet.


He obviously plans to use 12 personnel sets a lot, just like he did in Detroit. And Kmet doesn't create separation well enough (or, arguably, at all) to be the primary receiving tight end in Johnson's scheme. Loveland seems much better suited for that role.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I think you answered your own question. No good OL left? Go DL.


enough good DL are still on the board for at 39.

I had seen Nick Scourton mocked to them at 10 at some points this off season. He's there right now. Mike Green might be the second best pass rusher in the entire draft, except for

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Ezeriaku was incredibly productive at BC.

and those aren't the only ones. Plenty of Edge talent still there. You could even wait and get the guy from Louisville at 71.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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We are still in a very good spot for OL/DL. The problem is, there just aren't enough picks to cover all the needs.

Here is what CBS is projecting Day 2

TreyVeon Henderson, RB, OSU
Ezeiruaku, Edge, BC
Charles Grant, OT, W and M

That would be an excellent Day 2.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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here is a nightmare Day 2 that would be totally Poles

Emmanwori, S
Schwesinger, LB

It's not even difficult to see Poles being in love with Emmanwori. He's a great player everyone would love.

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here is a nightmare Day 2 that would be totally Poles

Emmanwori, S
Schwesinger, LB

It's not even difficult to see Poles being in love with Emmanwori. He's a great player everyone would love.


I mean, they do need a safety, right?

But I'm with you on Green. If he's there, you have to take him. But he won't be there.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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We are still in a very good spot for OL/DL. The problem is, there just aren't enough picks to cover all the needs.

Here is what CBS is projecting Day 2

TreyVeon Henderson, RB, OSU
Ezeiruaku, Edge, BC
Charles Grant, OT, W and M

That would be an excellent Day 2.


I like Judkins better than Henderson. I don't know much about the guy from BC.

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Loveland is who Johnson wanted for his offense.

I don't think it's a bad pick at all. He seems to have good hands and speed. Kap likes the pick.

Kmet dropped a lot of balls last year that he shouldn't have.


Kmet caught 86% of the passes thrown to him. He has been fantastic on that end the last two years.

I wouldn't rely on cap for anything other than getting a few inside scoops from his jock sniffing.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Loveland is who Johnson wanted for his offense.

I don't think it's a bad pick at all. He seems to have good hands and speed. Kap likes the pick.

Kmet dropped a lot of balls last year that he shouldn't have.

Kmet had one drop all season.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Loveland is who Johnson wanted for his offense.

I don't think it's a bad pick at all. He seems to have good hands and speed. Kap likes the pick.

Kmet dropped a lot of balls last year that he shouldn't have.

Kmet had one drop all season.

One too many for my tastes.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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What if I told you he’s the second best TE available from one of the conferences? And that he was injured most of last year?


He's better than Warren.

Based on what?

He’s smaller, slower, less accomplished at actually playing football and seemingly a worse blocker.


He looks like he's significantly quicker and is a better route runner than Warren. Your guy Johnson seems to agree with me. Also, the scouts I've heard discuss him say that he was asked to do more as a blocker than Warren and excelled in that regard.


All of this.

Warren will struggle at times to get separation in the NFL. Furthermore, Loveland will help the the Bears running game more.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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We are still in a very good spot for OL/DL. The problem is, there just aren't enough picks to cover all the needs.

Here is what CBS is projecting Day 2

TreyVeon Henderson, RB, OSU
Ezeiruaku, Edge, BC
Charles Grant, OT, W and M

That would be an excellent Day 2.


I like Judkins better than Henderson. I don't know much about the guy from BC.


I can see that with Judkins. I won't argue. He's much bigger.

At the moment, we still have a big group of edge players of similar quality. Take your pick. I don't think the remaining are all that different than what has been chosen.

Get familiar with EZ. That seems like the Mc Claskeyist of picks. Catholic school. Good character. Try hard player who produced more on motor than skills.

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I don't like that Loveland is not highly considered in contested catches and RAC. A TE that high really should be a much more finished product, in my opinion.

Bowers was much better in every facet of his game and went lower last year.

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I don't like that Loveland is not highly considered in contested catches and RAC. A TE that high really should be a much more finished product, in my opinion.

Bowers was much better in every facet of his game and went lower last year.


Loveland had no one to throw him the ball last year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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What if I told you he’s the second best TE available from one of the conferences? And that he was injured most of last year?


He's better than Warren.

Based on what?

He’s smaller, slower, less accomplished at actually playing football and seemingly a worse blocker.


He looks like he's significantly quicker and is a better route runner than Warren. Your guy Johnson seems to agree with me. Also, the scouts I've heard discuss him say that he was asked to do more as a blocker than Warren and excelled in that regard.


All of this.

Warren will struggle at times to get separation in the NFL. Furthermore, Loveland will help the the Bears running game more.


The guy that runs the Shrine Bowl said that Loveland was the 2nd best player in the entire draft behind Hunter and the 2nd best TE he's ever graded behind Bowers. Loveland was better than Warren in 2023 and look at Michigan's QBs last year. I'm gonna trust Ben Johnson on this one.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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What if I told you he’s the second best TE available from one of the conferences? And that he was injured most of last year?


He's better than Warren.

Based on what?

He’s smaller, slower, less accomplished at actually playing football and seemingly a worse blocker.


He looks like he's significantly quicker and is a better route runner than Warren. Your guy Johnson seems to agree with me. Also, the scouts I've heard discuss him say that he was asked to do more as a blocker than Warren and excelled in that regard.


All of this.

Warren will struggle at times to get separation in the NFL. Furthermore, Loveland will help the the Bears running game more.


The guy that runs the Shrine Bowl said that Loveland was the 2nd best player in the entire draft behind Hunter and the 2nd best TE he's ever graded behind Bowers. Loveland was better than Warren in 2023 and look at Michigan's QBs last year. I'm gonna trust Ben Johnson on this one.


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Johnson also has inside information on Loveland because they lived in the same state last year.

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Ricky11Slade wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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What if I told you he’s the second best TE available from one of the conferences? And that he was injured most of last year?


He's better than Warren.

Based on what?

He’s smaller, slower, less accomplished at actually playing football and seemingly a worse blocker.


He looks like he's significantly quicker and is a better route runner than Warren. Your guy Johnson seems to agree with me. Also, the scouts I've heard discuss him say that he was asked to do more as a blocker than Warren and excelled in that regard.


All of this.

Warren will struggle at times to get separation in the NFL. Furthermore, Loveland will help the the Bears running game more.


The guy that runs the Shrine Bowl said that Loveland was the 2nd best player in the entire draft behind Hunter and the 2nd best TE he's ever graded behind Bowers. Loveland was better than Warren in 2023 and look at Michigan's QBs last year. I'm gonna trust Ben Johnson on this one.



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He’s someone who can really, really run. He can get in and out of breaks. Fluid for a bigger guy. He can go get it with a huge catch radius. He’s also tough and physical after the catch. And in the run game he does enough. He stays connected and shows want-to.” — NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah

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The fact that this is clearly not a Ryan Poles driven pick is one of the best things about it. So fortunate Banks went the pick before.

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The fact that this is clearly not a Ryan Poles driven pick is one of the best things about it. So fortunate Banks went the pick before.



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The local draft experts really show their ass on draft evaluation. The Bears are their bread and butter. Invest more effort. Who's Your Guy is ridiculously lazy radio, but that is the level of effort we get from almost all of our locals.

Give Mully and Haugh credit. They had this one correct.

CHGO didn't have Loveland as a first round pick. That's malpractice.

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Loveland's fronchroom looks like a Wisconsin bar.

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Gronk Jr.

He’s someone who can really, really run. He can get in and out of breaks. Fluid for a bigger guy. He can go get it with a huge catch radius. He’s also tough and physical after the catch. And in the run game he does enough. He stays connected and shows want-to.” — NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah


I saw a lot of "Aaron Hernandez without the psychopathy" comps last night

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The fact that this is clearly not a Ryan Poles driven pick is one of the best things about it. So fortunate Banks went the pick before.

How do you know?


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The fact that this is clearly not a Ryan Poles driven pick is one of the best things about it. So fortunate Banks went the pick before.

How do you know?


Did you see Ben Johnson's phone call with the Loveland? Lions ran two TEs the third most in the NFL last year as well.

I thought you would know this seeing as how Poles told you Jeanty was the pick weeks ago.

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