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Watching the 1st of Bengals v Chargers, the Bengals (another shitty second generation family run team) look just like the Bears.

Anytime the opponent can get home consistently with a 4 man rush, it’s going to be a long day for the passing offense. The Bears allow too much immediate pressure from 4 man rushes, not a lot of open looks against 7 man coverage when DL dudes are hanging all over Williams.

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Packers three-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Kenny Clark affirmed what LaFleur and Bisaccia were preaching Saturday and during the week, saying "we were going to block it."

"We talked about T.J. [Slaton] or KB [Karl Brooks] blocking the kick all week," Clark said, via USA Today. "They've got holes in their field goal protection, and a couple of them got close. .... It was a problem. So Coach Rich been telling them all week, and we ended up getting one."

In Brooks' mind, it didn't come down to anything technical. His will was simply stronger.


"To be honest, I didn't see anything. Same formation. I got penetration, just wanted it more. Got a hand up."

Pre-snap, Brooks attempted to manifest his block, and it worked Sunday with his hand hitting the bottom of the ball.

"I'm visualizing myself blocking the kick," Brooks said. "Like I said, I just wanted it more. I just fired off the ball and wanted to get a win. It was just [an] unbelievable feeling. At first when I touched it, I didn't think I got enough of it and it fell short. That's when I really celebrated. ... It was cool. It was a good experience."


Safety Xavier McKinney divulged the secret sauce behind the block: Green Bay thought the Bears had a weakness in the middle of their field goal block team.

"We saw that through the middle we could get a good push through the middle, and we believed that the guys that we have were going to play big and play strong up front," McKinney said. "We were able to get that push that we needed. We got it when we needed in a big-time situation. We got the block. We saw it just studying film throughout the week, and we were able to get it."

The do-or-die nature of the Bears' final field goal kick gave the Packers the extra juice required to break through for the pivotal block. Once McKinney heard the thump of the football disappear into the Windy City air, he knew the Packers had blocked the kick and won the game to improve to 7-3, their best 10-game start to a season since 2021 when they began the year 8-2. That team finished 13-4 and secured the NFC's top seed.

"It dies real quick," McKinney said when asked about the sound of a field goal block on the field. "It's crazy because you hear the kick, and then I heard the hand hit it and then as soon as the hand hit it, it just dies. Once I heard that, I was like 'Ok, it's probably not going to get there.'"


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Watching the 1st of Bengals v Chargers, the Bengals (another shitty second generation family run team) look just like the Bears.

Anytime the opponent can get home consistently with a 4 man rush, it’s going to be a long day for the passing offense. The Bears allow too much immediate pressure from 4 man rushes, not a lot of open looks against 7 man coverage when DL dudes are hanging all over Williams.

First three picks in 2025 should be Big 10 or SEC linemen.

I agree. Stop fucking around and just go with the Paxson approach of drafting starting players from proven progrums.

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It's a simple question. What didn't he do well today?

The offense not scoring 30 is not an answer.

No, he was below average and probably closer to just outright bad. With even mediocre quarterback play the Bears win that game.

What didn't he do well today?

Is your answer "everything"?

His accuracy is still way, way, way, below what would even be considered mediocre. He doesn’t really even try to throw more than 15 or so yards downfield at all anymore.

Maybe if he throws a touchdown pass in November I will cut him slack though. So far its been since October 13th, but yeah guys NO PROBLEM the guy is a STAR!

Almost all throws today were right where you want them. Only one major overthrow.

We aren't talking about 4 games. We are discussing this one. He was bad the last 3 games before this.

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USA is also pretty gay for Field's. Maybe he/xe can fight it out with LGBTQ Time Guy to see who can shut the fuck up first. Anyone with a brain could see Caleb balled out today especially in the fourth. It was the inverse of a Field's performance since he/xe typically wet the bed whenever the game was on the line. Too bad USA wants to Make Chicago Get Sacked Again by reinstalling Field's as QB 1.

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Caleb played better today. But that's only because the bar was set so low from the previous 3 games. But it is apparent after 10 games that he is "touchdown challenged" and big play averse . In addition to not being able to score touchdowns the Bears have absolutely no big play capability whatsoever. And whatever "explosiveness" arises from the offense occurs as a result of running, and not passing plays.

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Is there a definitive replay that shows the block? I just saw a really shitty kick


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Is there a definitive replay that shows the block? I just saw a really shitty kick

You could hear it.

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But it is apparent after 10 games that he is "touchdown challenged"

Justin Fields had 8 total TDs and 9 INTs through his first 10 games of his career. Williams has 9 TDs with 5 INTs.

And you waited until almost the end of Justin's second season in the NFL, when he had a horrendous record as a starter, to proclaim him a "growing" prospect worth building around. Remember that?


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But it is apparent after 10 games that he is "touchdown challenged"

Justin Fields had 8 total TDs and 9 INTs through his first 10 games of his career. Williams has 9 TDs with 5 INTs.

And you waited until almost the end of Justin's second season in the NFL, when he had a horrendous record as a starter, to proclaim him a "growing" prospect worth building around. Remember that?

And you "waited" til I started dissing Caleb Williams in order to become his biggest fan. Remember that?

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Just tuned into the game against the Utes to watch Williams start the drive down 8. It's a few plays of one drive, but he seems to be holding the ball a lot while in the pocket. And of course the announcers aren't going to be as viscious in pointing out if guys are actually open, but is that a worry spot

And just now he fumbled while trying to make an uncontested throwThat's a Bears QB of I've ever seen one, trade up if you have to.


This is when dudes with "weird obsessions" just might need to stop posting on the internet. Just saying

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:lol: At the idea that your position on Caleb influenced my assessment of his arm talent. How many times do I have to tell you? You. Are. Not. The. Main. Character.

But it's funny how shook you get when anyone points out the long leash you gave Fields for struggles during development. You can't even engage with the specifics because you know they're so similar!


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They didn’t deserve it, they didn’t win it. Teams will solve this version of Caleb very quickly, I mean he pretty ass in this game like he always is but the running stuff will get shut down right away.

Still a lot of positives. They're not absolutely incompetent anymore. They could keep it close with Minnesota next week too.

For some reason the Packers took it easy on them. The Bears were pretty ass this game all around, the offense is just so dreadful it’s sad.

Drake Maye just made a downright Calebesque throw to nowhere to lose the game.

They didn’t fucking take it easy on anyone dumbass.

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Bears and Packers last 25 years postseason appearances comparison not good.


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No, it's the usual. Can't throw the deep ball. Although today he threw it LESS over their heads. All in all, I have no complaints other than the first series. He showed heart.




The line can’t hold blocks long enough to consistently get those plays off. Look at it this way, DJ is probably the fastest of our best receivers.. he runs the 40 in let’s say 4.4 seconds. So he needs at least 3.5 to 4 seconds to get down field far enough to throw those deep passes.. our line can’t hold up for better than 3 seconds tho.


We saw it plain as day in this game. They constantly showed Caleb was getting the ball out quicker against the Packers at roughly 2.5 seconds.. and he was still getting hit on a lot of those plays.


Brown wasn’t calling quicker pass plays because Calebs arm isn’t strong enough or accurate enough -it’s because the Bears O-line cannot fucking block.


Just because Caleb struggles with his accuracy doesn’t mean you don’t take shots anyway. He’s young, they’ll let him struggle. The problem is taking those bigger hits trying to let those plays develop.


Justin and Mitch dealt with this too. The Bears O-line has sucked for fucking years on end now.

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IIRC, 2 deep throws, both overthrown. It's nothing new. Has there been a deep throw where he has dropped it right in in the basket this season?


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IIRC, 2 deep throws, both overthrown. It's nothing new. Has there been a deep throw where he has dropped it right in in the basket this season?

One of the deep throws wasn't overthrown. His WR got tripped. It was a perfect pass that should have been a touchdown or pass interference.

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Second loss of the season that can be directly tied to poor coaching, Eberflus might be one of the worst game managers in the history of the NFL, an average Xbox Madden player has a better idea of how to manage the clock at the end of a game.

Stevie Wonder could see what needs to be done here, but you have to go a level up and fire the GM that is signing off on these inept coaching hires.


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IIRC, 2 deep throws, both overthrown. It's nothing new. Has there been a deep throw where he has dropped it right in in the basket this season?




That is not my point. You’re complaining about how often they were calling the dink and dunk plays. I’m trying to point out to you that they have to call those plays so often because the O-line can’t block.

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No, it's the usual. Can't throw the deep ball. Although today he threw it LESS over their heads. All in all, I have no complaints other than the first series. He showed heart.




The line can’t hold blocks long enough to consistently get those plays off. Look at it this way, DJ is probably the fastest of our best receivers.. he runs the 40 in let’s say 4.4 seconds. So he needs at least 3.5 to 4 seconds to get down field far enough to throw those deep passes.. our line can’t hold up for better than 3 seconds tho.


We saw it plain as day in this game. They constantly showed Caleb was getting the ball out quicker against the Packers at roughly 2.5 seconds.. and he was still getting hit on a lot of those plays.


Brown wasn’t calling quicker pass plays because Calebs arm isn’t strong enough or accurate enough -it’s because the Bears O-line cannot fucking block.


Just because Caleb struggles with his accuracy doesn’t mean you don’t take shots anyway. He’s young, they’ll let him struggle. The problem is taking those bigger hits trying to let those plays develop.


Justin and Mitch dealt with this too. The Bears O-line has sucked for fucking years on end now.


Caleb's accuracy issues are the primary reason they don't call deep plays. If they wanted him.to go deep they could roll him out to avoid the rush. They haven't all season. They see him hanging deep passes just as we see him hanging deep passes.

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IIRC, 2 deep throws, both overthrown. It's nothing new. Has there been a deep throw where he has dropped it right in in the basket this season?


There was an uncalled illegal contact penalty on a deep ball yesterday that Odunze got one hand on.

If not for the penalty, that throw was perfect.

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If they wanted him.to go deep they could roll him out to avoid the rush. They haven't all season.
What does this mean? Outside of a Hail Mary, that's not how NFL play calling works.

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Flus played it safe.

Big mistake on his part. The job is one level too big for him.

Time to move on.




I still think Flus is gone and should be gone.. but at years end. He fucked up by trying to cover his ass bringing Waldron in over Cliff. Warren knows it, Poles knows it.


That said, I'm not hanging this loss on Flus alone. The Packers are a better team, and are better coached so its more of a testament imo that the Bears were able to hang with them. The offensive game plan was smart and simple, kept GB's offense off the field and gave the Bears a chance at the end. All you could hope for. Even the defense came up big with two crucial stops. Its just that GB played near perfect offense outside of those two drives. I was expecting the Bears to get shelled in this game, and honestly they should have. But smart coaching on offense (for once), combined with clean disciplined play by the young QB, and a couple big stops by the defense kept them in it.


Bears literally did the only thing they could to the letter to stay in this one and it almost worked. But they just aren't good enough yet.


Agreed.

Winning, as well as losing can become habitual.

I'm concerned that if they keep losing with Flus, that MANY players may never turn it around.

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If they wanted him.to go deep they could roll him out to avoid the rush. They haven't all season.
What does this mean? Outside of a Hail Mary, that's not how NFL play calling works.


Brick McCarver it might be best to layoff the Football "tutorials" as your "teaching" of the game sucks. Facts are that MANY of your "prognostications" regarding this kid and his abilities have fallen flat.
Last night you proclaimed that he "played well" even though the only TDs produced in the game happened to be generated by the RB. For the 4th game in a row.
Might be time to rethink this guy.

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Brick McCarver it might be best to layoff the Football "tutorials" as your "teaching" of the game sucks. Facts are that MANY of your "prognostications" regarding this kid and his abilities have fallen flat.
Educate me then. What do roll outs have to do with deep passes outside of Hail Mary plays? Do you think an offensive play caller is going "Run the roll out play so the QB can throw it deep"?
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Last night you proclaimed that he "played well" even though the only TDs in the game happened to be generated by the RB. For the 4th game in a row.
Might be time to rethink this guy.
He did play well yesterday.

The reason I know he did is because you have to keep on brining up what he did in the 3 games prior where he was really bad outside of one quarter + 2 min of the Washington game.

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The reason I know he did is because you have to keep on brining up what he did in the 3 games prior where he was really bad outside of one quarter + 2 min of the Washington game.


In whose Football World does "playing well" equate to producing no TDs?

He hasn't produced a TD in 4 games now. The best grade that I can provide is that he played better than he did the previous 3 games. Which were 3 games in which he absolutely sucked.

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Brick McCarver it might be best to layoff the Football "tutorials" as your "teaching" of the game sucks. Facts are that MANY of your "prognostications" regarding this kid and his abilities have fallen flat.
Educate me then. What do roll outs have to do with deep passes outside of Hail Mary plays? Do you think an offensive play caller is going "Run the roll out play so the QB can throw it deep"?
Offensive Coordinators have been rolling QBs out since the beginning of time in order to go deep. And they had absolutely nothing to do with Hail Mary passes and everything to do with simply avoiding pass rushes.
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In whose Football World does "playing well" equate to producing no TDs?
Anyone who knows football. You can have a good game with no tds or interceptions.

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hindsight 20/20... but i think it's fair most thought 2 plays could have been run before the kick. the perfect play call first would have been a play action pass rollout where the the qb is asked to make one read and if it's not there then the QB is told to run or throw away to sidelines....then the team is told we need to run a second play which would have been a run... then timeout with 4 seconds left. all this should have been communicated to the team.... but we have bad coaches so it wasnt.

too bad our kicker can barely has leg strength to make 50 yard field goals... seems like the rest of the league can make kicks from 60+ without having to line drive the kick


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Offensive Coordinators have been rolling QBs out since the beginning of time in order to go deep. And they had absolutely nothing to do with Hail Mary passes and everything to do with simply avoiding pass rushes.
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There are plays that are called where the QB rolls out. There are normally options on multiple levels. You are just wrong on this to think that a OC is calling a rollout to get his QB to throw deep.

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