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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:50 pm 
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I can't count Embiid. You gotta play more than 30 games over three years to qualify. That's fair, imo.

I disagree with the rest of your list except for Towns. You couldn't stop talking shit about Gobert when my guy Draymond was destroying him but now he's good?

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Don't forget Gorgei Dieng !


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:03 pm 
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I can't count Embiid. You gotta play more than 30 games over three years to qualify. That's fair, imo.

I disagree with the rest of your list except for Towns. You couldn't stop talking shit about Gobert when my guy Draymond was destroying him but now he's good?


Shouldn't a top 10 guy avg more than 30 minutes per game?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:53 pm 
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Here we go. You make a point (which you can't prove) I address it then you change your original point.

Again name the players that they passed on that would have allowed them to trade for Kyrie Irving? You stated that if they would not have whiffed during the past 5 years they would have been in position to trade for him. Ok now it's time to support it which you can't.

It is not about whether they could have drafted better. Nice try though.

Uh how is it not about whether could have drafted better? The Bulls having literally no tradeable assets besides Butler is a direct consequence of repeated failures in free agency and the draft. You seem to want to pretend that this is about someone they could have gotten for a 1:1 trade for Irving or some rubbish but when you have a roster filled with players no one wants because of systematic front office screwups, that's going to make a trade for Irving or any other player rather difficult.


You made a point that they passed on guys that would have allowed them to trade for Irving. Who were they? You can have 2 picks if you like.

How is it my 1:1 point when you are the person that first mentioned it? Drafting "better" doesn't put you in position to trade for Irving. If and when he is traded it will be for an All Star caliber player plus another starter. The Bulls haven't "whiffed" on that kind of player in the last 5 years.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:55 pm 
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long time guy wrote:
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Here we go. You make a point (which you can't prove) I address it then you change your original point.

Again name the players that they passed on that would have allowed them to trade for Kyrie Irving? You stated that if they would not have whiffed during the past 5 years they would have been in position to trade for him. Ok now it's time to support it which you can't.

It is not about whether they could have drafted better. Nice try though.

Uh how is it not about whether could have drafted better? The Bulls having literally no tradeable assets besides Butler is a direct consequence of repeated failures in free agency and the draft. You seem to want to pretend that this is about someone they could have gotten for a 1:1 trade for Irving or some rubbish but when you have a roster filled with players no one wants because of systematic front office screwups, that's going to make a trade for Irving or any other player rather difficult.


You made a point that they passed on guys that would have allowed them to trade for Irving. Who were they? You can have 2 picks if you like.

How is it my 1:1 point when you are the person that first mentioned it? Drafting "better" doesn't put you in position to trade for Irving. If and when he is traded it will be for an All Star caliber player plus another starter. The Bulls haven't "whiffed" on that kind of player in the last 5 years.

I made no point about any kind of 1:1 trade. The point was simply that the reason the Bulls had nothing to offer the Cavs besides Butler is because they have no other assets of any value.

There's no guarantee that if and when Irving gets traded, it's definitely for another all-star, especially since his discontent is now being broadcast to the rest of the league. Cousins, George, and JIMMY BUTLER HIMSELF have all been traded for non-all-star talent in the past 6 months. Drafting better gives you tradeable assets and allows you to put packages together for all-star level but unfortunately for the Bulls they don't even have anything to initiate any kind of conversation.



None of the players you named have the value this kid does. Gourgui Dieng doesn't get you closer to trading for Irving. You came up with a hypotheses that you cannot support.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:56 pm 
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None of the players you named have the value this kid does. Gourgui Dieng doesn't get you closer to trading for Irving. You came up with a hypotheses that you cannot support.

Nope, I've demonstrated you don't need all-star talent to trade for a player at Irving's level and that the Bulls had no tradeable assets whatsoever aside from Butler due to the front office's incompetence. You've been reduced to saying the equivalent of "Irving would get more than those guys cause I like Irving!" and excusing GarPax, as usual.



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The Kyrie and Butler trades are another indictment of Garpax.

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The Kyrie and Butler trades are another indictment of Garpax.



It's more an indictment of you and a few others. That's about it.

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The Kyrie and Butler trades are another indictment of Garpax.


It's more an indictment of you and a few others. That's about it.


Remember when you stated SI is a credible sports source?

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-t ... r-rankings

Also:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703 ... ng-top-100

http://hoopshype.com/2017/04/28/we-have ... is-season/

https://hoopshabit.com/2017/04/14/nba-p ... 2016-17/4/

No one thinks Kyrie is better than Butler. No one.

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IMU wrote:
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The Kyrie and Butler trades are another indictment of Garpax.


It's more an indictment of you and a few others. That's about it.


Remember when you stated SI is a credible sports source?

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-t ... r-rankings

Also:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2703 ... ng-top-100

http://hoopshype.com/2017/04/28/we-have ... is-season/

https://hoopshabit.com/2017/04/14/nba-p ... 2016-17/4/

No one thinks Kyrie is better than Butler. No one.



He fetched more in a trade and people around the league believe it. All that matters. You can go back to quoting your analytics and writer types and I will continue to pay attention to the guys like Ainge.

Hoops hype? Peter Vecsey is turning over in his grave :lol:

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NBA scouts and front office types all agree Butler > Kyrie.

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NBA scouts and front office types all agree Butler > Kyrie.


Danny Ainge whom I believe to be a GM, turned down the trade for Butler. The reported interest in Butler was nowhere near on the same level. Irving will the best player on a team that will win 55-60 games. Butler will struggle to win 45. He also will be his teams second best player. Very few believe that Butler is the better player.

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Cleveland is in win now mode. The Bulls are not.

I guarantee you Boston tried to dangle IT for Butler this offseason and the Bulls said no.

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