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Seriously, please site the NFL games where the outcome was determined by the replacement officials.


Sweet false dichotomy bro

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I think Scorehead's opinion on this matter has merit. Are we so sure that the replacement refs are really blowing more calls in comparison to regular NFL refs, or are we choosing to blame everything on the new guys just because they're replacements?


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They usually don't bother calling holding on the line, they let receivers get mugged, they're scared to blow plays dead, they need a to have minutes long conferences to get calls right, they can't count to 3 when awarding TOs, they can't tell when a player is off the field to call 12 men, they're letting players set the tone by not stopping them from getting chippy early, off the top of my head. You can say they suck both ways though!

The Eagles Ravens game almost ended at 4PM and it wasn't the only one flirting with 4 hours because the refs were brutal. It's not even so much that they're "missing calls," it's that the game just looks worse with them involved.


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the only things ive noticed are these replacement refs just arent used to nfl rules and speed. and the only way you can get that experience is be in the games. real ones.

the fact they had just weeks to train for this, and they have never even seen a pace that the nfl is played tells me these replacement refs are doing a GREAT job for what they were asked to do. they might be making a few weird calls, but they are getting the job done and thats all that matters.

everyone forget how bad the normal refs were? we used to blame them all the time for blown games. theyre the WHOLE reason replay was initiated! its a game thats impossible for the human eye to manage completely. thats why replay is there, and now that it is the refs matter even less.

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How about the fact the fucking game lasted four hours last night? That's all I needed to confirm these new guys suck.


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I would grade these refs out @ D minus...the old refs were a D.

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While "FOX NFL Sunday" Officiating Expert Mike Pereira is embarrassed by what's happened, retired NFL Referee Jerry Markbreit was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" this morning. Markbreit, who retired in 1998, is embarrassed by the lack of "game administration" with the replacement officials the last couple of weeks:

http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/09/19/je ... situation/


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While "FOX NFL Sunday" Officiating Expert Mike Pereira is embarrassed by what's happened, retired NFL Referee Jerry Markbreit was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" this morning. Markbreit, who retired in 1998, is embarrassed by the lack of "game administration" with the replacement officials the last couple of weeks:

http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/09/19/je ... situation/


no shit. the retired refs sitting on cushy pensions dont like that their source of money might be dissolved. wow i cant believe it.

new refs are D- and old refs are D. i like that. seems about right.

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IkeSouth wrote:
SHARK wrote:
While "FOX NFL Sunday" Officiating Expert Mike Pereira is embarrassed by what's happened, retired NFL Referee Jerry Markbreit was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" this morning. Markbreit, who retired in 1998, is embarrassed by the lack of "game administration" with the replacement officials the last couple of weeks:

http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/09/19/je ... situation/


no shit. the retired refs sitting on cushy pensions dont like that their source of money might be dissolved. wow i cant believe it.

new refs are D- and old refs are D. i like that. seems about right.

Ike, the replacement refs aren't going away. Right now, despite all the criticism from the likes of "FOX NFL Sunday's" Mike Pereira, Dial Global Sports' Boomer Esiason and others, there are zero negotiations right now to get the regular officials back on the gridiron anytime soon. The badness will continue for who knows how much longer...


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All these people saying the old refs sucked...are you grading them based on the quality of their calls or how they managed a game?

I'm not going to try to argue whether or not the new guys are that much worse when it comes to get calls right or wrong, but it seems like they are having to conference on shit that the regular refs would have seemed to know easily and the games drag on far too long.


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All these people saying the old refs sucked...are you grading them based on the quality of their calls or how they managed a game?

I'm not going to try to argue whether or not the new guys are that much worse when it comes to get calls right or wrong, but it seems like they are having to conference on shit that the regular refs would have seemed to know easily and the games drag on far too long.

If the regular officials worked Broncos/Falcons, Atlanta's Ray Edwards appeared to throw a punch at the end of the 1st quarter Monday night, and should've been ejected from the game. According to Dial Global Sports' Boomer Esiason, who worked the national radio broadcast with Kevin Harlan & sideline reporter Tony Boselli, the replacement officials failed to throw Edwards out of the game, plus also had issues with positioning the football on a couple of occasions, and didn't explain why they threw a yellow flag at Denver head coach John Fox after he threw a red challenge flag in the 2nd quarter. They seemed to lose control.


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St Louie had a false start which caused Peppers to jump, so they called a neutral zone infraction


Oh, and St Louie :lol:

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Fuck! How did they fucking blow the td call in Dinver? Mercy they're bad. Goddamn.

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And they follow it up with a god awful PI call... Jesus. Time to bring in the real guys. They're costing teams serious points and maybe wins.

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Fuck! Mercy. Goddamn.

Pretty apt description of these replacement refs managing a game.

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After this Sunday Night game, maybe time for the NFL to give in and get the real refs back.

Collinsworth just basically said it's time to get them back too.


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Loving this SNF atmosphere. Reminds me of ECW Arena.

Agreed -- that was awesome and fully deserved by the refs. The league deserves it too -- I hope it is a talking point. I sadly agree with Steve Young that there's no real motivation for the NFL to give in; they really need an egregious error that obviously and single handedly costs a team a game, but hearing "Bull-Shit" in the background for three minutes straight while Michaels quips "No seven second delay will take care of that" will eventually take a toll on the integrity of the game.

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Scorehead wrote:
Seriously, please site the NFL games where the outcome was determined by the replacement officials.


Sweet false dichotomy bro


Great spelling, too.


Anyway, shitty refs or not, I can't see how the league doesn't suspend ol' grabby Bill for his antics after the game.

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Anyway, shitty refs or not, I can't see how the league doesn't suspend ol' grabby Bill for his antics after the game.

That's a fine, not a suspension.

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Anyway, shitty refs or not, I can't see how the league doesn't suspend ol' grabby Bill for his antics after the game.

That's a fine, not a suspension.


For grabbing & ripping at a ref's shirt? Right after ol' Roger said knock it off? Yeah, no, I think Roger will lay the hammer down, and there's no Coach's association to bitch about it on hoodie's behalf.

This didn't happen in a vacuum, it happened in context of this season and what's transpired. Logically, a suspension (and obviously a fine) is an imperative. The refs may not be capable of doing the job correctly, but that doesn't give license for them to be mauled at by a pissy coach.

No, no, no. Not levying a suspension would be as wholly inappropriate as Bill's behavior.

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I don't think a suspension is warranted. Maybe a fine. Every scoring play is supposed to be reviewed. Apparently a FG that goes over the top isn't reviewable, but I doubt Bill knew that and he wanted an explanation why it wasn't being reviewed. The refs just ignored him and hauled ass out of there.

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A suspension? Seriously? I can understand fining the guy, but a suspension would be absolutely ridiculous.

Tony Dungy needs to stop acting like Belichick assaulted someone.

The game was fun-bad to watch. I take back anything I said about giving the referees the benefit of the doubt. Both teams had bullshit calls all night which just escalated the crazy atmosphere of the game, culminating in a close field goal judgement and people running around like mad.

Thank God this wasn't a Baltimore/Pittsburgh game. Someone would have died.


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He must be suspended.

Otherwise players are free to grab officials. The league doesn't want that.

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He must be suspended.

Otherwise players are free to grab officials. The league doesn't want that.


How does a coach grabbing a ref allow players to do the same?


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He must be suspended.

Otherwise players are free to grab officials. The league doesn't want that.


How does a coach grabbing a ref allow players to do the same?


Because if there is no suspension, there can't be one for a player. It would be fought and overturned.

Justice must be served. #SuspendTheHoodie

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Because if there is no suspension, there can't be one for a player. It would be fought and overturned.


If the player's union can get the Bountygate suspensions overturned, there is no way a "you touched a ref!" suspension isn't overturned as well.


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Bill Belichick should know better than to lay his hands on an official, regardless if it's a replacement NFL official or a regular one, based on what I saw at the end of the Patriots/Ravens' game last night. The Patriots' head coach will definitely be lighter in the wallet, but for a guy like Belichick, any fine will be chump change for what he earns per season in New England.

That being said, what happened in New England/Baltimore was as ridiculous as what happened in Denver/Atlanta last Monday night where the replacement refs allowed a lot and seemed to lack control & order. I'm not sure how much longer these mistakes can be tolerated.


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Kyle Shanahan Chased The Refs Into The Tunnel, Yelling "You Have No Fucking Balls"

By Barry Petchesky, Sep 24, 2012 11:50 AM

Last week, the NFL issued warnings to coaches about abusing or berating the replacement refs. So naturally, multiple games yesterday ended in chaos, with coaches abusing and berating the replacement refs.

The end of the Bengals-Redskins game was especially anarchic, as DC Sports Bog breaks down. On Cincinnati's 34-yard line, Robert Griffin III spiked the ball with seven seconds left. On the next play, Washington was flagged for a false start. The officials—incorrectly—wound ten seconds off the clock, ending the game and sending the Cincinnati sideline out to flood the field in celebration.

As the officials conferred, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan came on to the field to argue. He was in the right—since the clock had been stopped by the spike, no time should have been taken off for the penalty. Order was restored, and the Redskins were given one more play, with the ball moved back 25 yards. Why 25? Five for the false start, 15 for an unsportsmanlike conduct on Shanahan, and five extra yards because the scab refs have no idea what they're doing out there.

Griffin's Hail Mary was batted down, and the refs sprinted for the safety of their locker room. They were pursued by a furious Shanahan, who, according to ESPN Radio 980, yelled "You have no fucking balls, you are a fucking pussy."

Shanahan didn't appear to make contact with the official, but the league is already reviewing the incident and he'll likely face a fine. Because the NFL wants you to remember, the fault lies with the players and coaches who get mad at the referees' mistakes, and not with the referees who make them.


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I don't think a suspension is warranted. Maybe a fine. Every scoring play is supposed to be reviewed. Apparently a FG that goes over the top isn't reviewable, but I doubt Bill knew that and he wanted an explanation why it wasn't being reviewed. The refs just ignored him and hauled ass out of there.



I must've missed that part of the NFL rules where, after a game is completed, the refs have to ask permission to leave of both the coaches lest any questions they have are left unanswered. Oh wait, no, that's horseshit.

The game's over; the ref's aren't bound to the coaches' assent or questions. They aren't during the game either for that matter.

And the whole grabby thing was appalling, pure and simple. You think that happens if it's an established ref? I don't. Whether he had a legitimate point to bring up or not is irrelevant to his aberrant post-game behavior.

Also, to what you just posted, verbal and physical harassment (or whatever word suits you) are obviously two different things. And that last sentence in the article is really, really stupid. The implication is that because you're mad and pissy you have no control over yourself when you act like a cock so clearly it's someone else's fault how you act. Keep it.

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