Dunn is a great pick. I didn't expect him to there at 5... Willing defender, so you know Thibs is all about this guy being his PG over Rubio.

If Bulls players were as loyal to Thibs as has been portrayed, then they would have attempted to win in spite of GarPax. These are professional athletes. They get paid to win games. They laid down because they were the ones complaining about Thibs grinding coaching style. There is no doubt that initial complaints came from the players and ended with GarPax.

Rubio plays defense too. The Sixes are interested in Rubio but I doubt Thibs wants a rookie running the offense.

Where is your source for these 'no doubt' initial complaints?

I have a dream that one day LTG will join a discussion without trying to fight a battle.

How does this work for you.

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In the effusive praise of Thibs that is the norm, people have tended to overlook this stuff.

That's not a complaint. Cmon man. Can we just have a convo without some childish prove each other wrong bullshit? Shit gets old.

Is it that hard to believe his coaching style grates on his players?

You can't coach professionals the way he does for very long.

Is it that hard to believe his coaching style grates on his players?

You can't coach professionals the way he does for very long.

Success matters. If you are losing it can become an issue. Jerry Sloan had long term success with it because his teams were usually good. Obviously it's a different era but winning and getting your best player to buy in matters.

Is it that hard to believe his coaching style grates on his players?

You can't coach professionals the way he does for very long.

I believe it. I know it. I accept it. I've complained about it before.

Keep in mind Derrick had knee tendinitis from over training at 19 years old. That just doesn't happen. Rose had a short shelf life as an elite player before Thibs got there.

Thibs should have been easier on Noah, no doubt. Does Joakim win DPOY with out Thibs pushing him tho? Thibs wants Noah in MN btw.

I just don't get the overwhelming disdain for Thibs. His coaching run guided the best Bulls teams in almost 20 years since MJ retired.

The intriguing aspect about the wolves to me is how young they are. You can grind on young players more than vets. Especially if KG stays.

I just don't get the overwhelming disdain for Thibs. His coaching run guided the best Bulls teams in almost 20 years since MJ retired.

And I see it from the opposite spectrum.

I think there's way too much love for Thibs and his coaching ability. I think Noah and Butler are out there busing their asses regardless of who's coaching.

I also think that because we're in Chicago, Thibs is style is more popular because a lot of fans here want that "fire and pash-in" on full display. A lot of people still equate good coaching with screaming, yelling and getting in someone's face.

And I see it from the opposite spectrum.

I think there's way too much love for Thibs and his coaching ability. I think Noah and Butler are out there busing their asses regardless of who's coaching.

I also think that because we're in Chicago, Thibs is style is more popular because a lot of fans here want that "fire and pash-in" on full display. A lot of people still equate good coaching with screaming, yelling and getting in someone's face.

The rest issue was not one of my issues with Thibs, but it is important to note that the players were among the ones critical of that too. It wasn't just Garpax. This was reported 2 yrs before he was whacked.

And I see it from the opposite spectrum.

I think there's way too much love for Thibs and his coaching ability. I think Noah and Butler are out there busing their asses regardless of who's coaching.

I also think that because we're in Chicago, Thibs is style is more popular because a lot of fans here want that "fire and pash-in" on full display. A lot of people still equate good coaching with screaming, yelling and getting in someone's face.

Noah got better and we saw how Butler developed. His attention to detail was important in their development as players.

Noah turned the corner while Del Negro was still in charge. And Butler only got his opportunity when Deng got hurt.

Not true. We were all in on including Noah in a deal for Bosh before Thibs arrived. A year later we wouldn't even consider it. Noah made major improvements with Thibs. Butler played when he was ready. Clearly you're questioning his coaching ability.

Matches, I like your posting for the most part. Let's not have our disagreement on Thibs divide us.

Can we agree Thibs is an elite NBA head coach and leave it there? Revisit this in 2018?

He gets all the credit in the world for his defensive schemes, there's no questioning that, but he severely lacked in the offensive department as well as minutes management.

Noah did turn the corner while Vinny was still coaching. Something clicked for him before Thibs was here. There's no denying that. Just as there's no denying Butler only got his shot when Deng got hurt. If Deng doesn't go down there's no telling when Butler gets on the floor.

I dig your style too man. You got the whole gif thing going on. (Macho Man Gifs are my gimmick though.)

I can't agree with Thibs being elite though. Elite coaches don't struggle in the first round of the playoffs in my opinion. We'll definitely revisit the Thibs topic as a board in the coming years.

I dig your style too man. You got the whole gif thing going on. (Macho Man Gifs are my gimmick though.)

I can't agree with Thibs being elite though. Elite coaches don't struggle in the first round of the playoffs in my opinion. We'll definitely revisit the Thibs topic as a board in the coming years.

I dig your style too man. You got the whole gif thing going on. (Macho Man Gifs are my gimmick though.)

I can't agree with Thibs being elite though. Elite coaches don't struggle in the first round of the playoffs in my opinion. We'll definitely revisit the Thibs topic as a board in the coming years.