Another great game for Lonzo and a really fun game for me to watch. After having to read all the ignorant bullshit in this forum it was nice to get to spend 2.5 hours watching and listening to former greats of the game gush over what an amazing talent Lonzo is. Zeke, McHale, Greg Anthony, Steve Smith, C Web...to a man they all spent the whole game talking about how great Lonzo is and how you have to really understand basketball to totally appreciate just what an immense effect he has on the game.

Talked about how its going to take him a couple years to really get it going (just like I said) and how his very presence has transformed the Lakers.

And what a game he had. 13 pts on 6/13 shooting, 6 boards, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 2 blocks. Continued to play really good defense as he has most of the season. Doing a great job defending smaller guards. Had trouble on Tobias Harris, but that's a size mismatch and there's no shame in getting burned by a guy as good as Harris. And on top of that, he had several highlight reel plays, scoring and passing.

Plain and simple, there hasn't been a player to enter the league with this much pressure and fanfare since Lebron. Actually he has way more pressure than Lebron given all the stuff Lavar has said. For him to perform this well and show this much poise is really amazing. What he is doing under the microscope is far more impressive than any rookie out there besides Simmons. Last night was the first time he looked really poised and in control of the game, taking his time and finding seams in the defense that allowed him to get all the way to the hoop, he looked like the wiley vet out there as opposed to a rookie.

He played well last night but you make excuses whenever he doesn't so you're not really a credible source. They did gush over him quite a bit and the over the top praise of him didn't quite jive with what he has done thus far. The step back three was a nice move.


The Lakers team is also more talented than you have ever given them credit for. They also heaped praise on Kuzma (A guy that you consistently bash) and the oft maligned Randle. It is not Lonzo and a team of bums. I've seem rookies enter the league and play with much worse talent. He outplayed Jackson but Jackson really isn't that good anyway.

He has Portland tomorrow which means he will have to lock up with 2 guards that are going to be on the attack non stop. Lets see what he has then.

I've never seen a guy with his numbers ever be considered "great" either.

Narrative before last night: Lonzo can't play in the NBA
Narrative after last night: Lonzo can only play against certain teams in the NBA


Looking forward to seeing the narrative change throughout the season.

LOL, please name one time I bashed Kuzma. been in love with Kuz since summer league. Can't wait for him to be in the starting lineup so Lonzo can have someone good to pass to.

Just another example of you making shit up and talking out your ass.


Lakers team is awful, nothing but ball stoppers and iso players. Even the players in the studio were saying how Lonzo is the only playmaker on the team and therefore Lonzo has no one to get HIM the ball in scoring positions. The team played great last night and moved the ball better than they have all year, lets hope they keep that up.

You stated that he'd be a stud. There has been nothing to demonstrate that and you find alternative ways to assess him whenever he has a bad game. If he doesn't do shit offensively it becomes about the 5 rebounds that he grabbed. If not that it was the 7 assists. His man dropped 28 on him last night while playing fewer minutes.

Ball also had the worst plus minus of any of the other starters too. I don't generally care about that stat but it should be noted if we are going to discuss his teammates.

I'm confused, what idiotic point are you trying to make here? Is this your evidence that I "bash Kuzma constantly"?

So your evidence that I bash Kuzma constantly is the one time I pointed out that your reliance on +/- was idiotic and I used Kuzma playing WELL despite a bad +/- as an example of how stupid +/- is.

So in summary, your evidence that I "bash Kuzma constantly" is to bring up a post where I state that Kuzma played well? The only thing I'm bashing in that post is your moronic reliance on +/-.

So thanks for bumping something that makes you look stupid.

I also remember you bashing during the summer league too when I stated that he looked like the best player.

Your point initially was stupid and really a non sequitor anyway. I stated that he had the worse +/- among the starters as a means of debunking the claim regarding the rest of the roster being garbage. At that point he'd consistently posted +- ratings that were worse amongst the starters. It is patently stupid to continuously suggest that he is playing "great" while the others are "terrible". It really isn't that shocking that you don't see the incongruence inherent in that statement.

It occurred again last night. The lead stretched when Clarkson Randle and Kuzma entered the game.

The lies from LTG keep coming. HEre are all my comments on Kuzma from summer league.


Speaking of the Lakers, they might have 4 rookies make the team. Kuzma looks like a steal at #27


and this one below where I'm responding to LTG saying that Kuzma had a better SL than Ball.

Kuzma looked better in SL than the guy who won the SL MVP and had the most impressive SL of any player in SL recorded history.

HOT TAKE ALERT!

Ok I exaggerated.

Now explain in your not so infinite wisdom how his teammates are so terrible if he routinely posts the worse +- among starters and the team increases or decreases leads whenever he isn't in the game? Can you explain that?

I refuse to acknowledge any argument that revolves around +/-. It's an idiotic stat in basketball and hockey and isn't taken seriously by anyone with a brain. Only morons would even bring it up.

Tatum is playing in a much better situation and playing a much easier position with much less responsibility. No point in comparing them, its apples and oranges at this point.

I refuse to believe anything you say without a link based on your penchant for lying. So show me the link about the ESPN guys or else don't waste more of my time.

I don't care if you believe or not. It was said and I will push on from it. As far as NBA "guys" go since you like to source them let's source them. Patrick Beverly (my guy) referred to him as a "weak ass motherfucker". I'd rather get the opinion of a guy that has actually played against him and shut his ass down. How is that for "sourcing"


As far as lying goes you consistently do it. From stating that he is playing better than Tatum to suggesting that he is playing "great", its one lie after another. It goes beyond having an opinion at this point. Now Tatum is only playing better because he is in a "better" situation. How? Yeah they have a better team but he is a 4th option whereas Ball has had the ball (no pun intended) in his hands from day 1. Ball should be putting up a lot of meaningless stats and he isn't. He is getting minutes and the ball is in his hands the entire time.

LOL idiot, Beverly said that in the hallway before they even played.

The crap you try and fling against the wall...

Hey Shakes and LTG. When you are the only 2 people posting in the thread it's kind of insane to keep quoting each other.

I am concerned.