So its not too early to fail but it is too early for it to succeed?

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Suns will be just fine. Book it!!

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I would say yes!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Another good game for Lonzo. Basically just him and LeBron showed up for the Lakers last night. 23 points on 9/16 including 5/9 from deep, 6r, 3a, 2 steals. Would've had more assists if anyone besides him and Lebron could hit a shot.

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If there was a redraft, when does Ball go?

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Back to UCLA.

I think Ball probably goes around 10th. Off the top of my head...

1. Jayson Tatum
2. Donovan Mitchell
3. De'Aaron Fox
4. John Collins
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Jonathan Isaac
7. Dennis Smith Jr
8. Josh Jackson
9. Lonzo Ball
10. Jarrett Allen

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For me he is about 13th. In no particular order.
1. Tatum
2. Mitchell
3. Markannen
4. Kuzma
5. Josh Jackson
6. Dennis Smith
7. Isaac
8. Bam Adebayo
9. John Collins
10. Jarrett Allen
11. Fultz
12. Fox
13. Ball


By the end of next season I expect him to be much lower than this.

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Whoa there buddy. You talking shit about me not respecting Fox? And you got him going 4 spots below Bam in a redraft?

There is absolutely no way Fultz goes before Fox and Ball in a redraft. He might never play in the NBA again. Total headcase

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You both have Lonzo Ball too low.

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1. Jayson Tatum
2. Donovan Mitchell
3. Kyle Kuzma
4. De'Aaron Fox
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Dennis Smith Jr
7. Lonzo Ball
8. John Collins
9. Jarrett Allen
10. Bam Adebayo

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Tough to make a case for Lonzo > Collins.


I'll admit I forgot Kuz in my rankings. Throw him somewhere in the back half of the top 10.

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I originally had them flipped, but then I only had Lonzo 8 after saying you had him too low at 9.

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I'm just waiting to see 312's reaction to LTG's disrespect of Fox. The bromance might be over.

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For me he is about 13th. In no particular order.
1. Tatum
2. Mitchell
3. Markannen
4. Kuzma
5. Josh Jackson
6. Dennis Smith
7. Isaac
8. Bam Adebayo
9. John Collins
10. Jarrett Allen
11. Fultz
12. Fox
13. Ball

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Fultz over Fox is insane. No way you can defend that

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You could probably make the case that he is better than 8,9,and 10 but if you factor in the level of investment placed in him as a #2 draft pick I place the others over him. He has been provided with more rope because they have to make good on the pick. They haven't been definitively better but they are better now and I think they will be going forward.

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I'm not going to penalize for not playing. I will if he can't play though. He is better than Ball. Ball isn't shit.

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Y’all are sleeping on Collins. He’s a future multiple time All Star.

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How the fuck can you do a redraft and say it is in no particular order? What the hell is the point?

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I thought that was a purposeful joke, especially considering the players were then listed in numbered order.

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the purpose was to list the guys I'd take in front of Ball. I listed them. The order wasn't important.

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Tough to do a re-draft now as it takes minimum 3 years before you can evaluate these guys. Also tough when you have a guy at the top of the draft who has been battling legitimate knee injury that required off season surgery as well as missing 30 games last year.

Based on what we know now here is how I would re-rank...

1. Fox (massive leap over the summer)
2. Lonzo (playing great alongside Lebron, slow start understandable after missing entire offseason to surgery. Shooting better than Mitchell this year)
3. Tatum (hard to judge him vs others in draft given stark difference in team situation)
4. Markannen (doesn't deserve to be this high based on play, but potential puts him ahead of the next couple guys IMO)
5. Mitchell (big time sophomore slump, combines bad shooting with volume chucking, not nearly enough assists for the amount of usage)
6. Kuzma (also looking good playing with Lebron lately, but d has to get better)
7. John Collins (double double machine, but outside shooting has been pretty bad so far...that needs to get better to truly become a PnR savant)
8. Isaac (another one who has battled injuries, although none severe...very raw, but looks pretty good in limited runs...already good on D)
9. JaFro (all the guy does is shoot close to 60% and plays good d)
10. Zack Collins (second most improved behind Fox)


Guys who just missed the cut: DSJ, Bam, Monk, OG

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You're a riot.

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Context matters.

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In any context, I've never heard of a draft being done "in any order."

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His question pertained Ball's position in the draft. The only thing that mattered was his place in the draft.

His question wasn't about redoing the draft. It was about determining Ball's position if the draft were redone. There is a big difference.

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Okay.

Who would you rank in front of Lauri Markkanen? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Jayson Tatum? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of De'Aaron Fox? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Jarrett Allen? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Donovan Mitchell? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Bam Adebayo? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Kyle Kuzma? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of John Collins? In no particular order.

Who would you rank in front of Dennis Smith Jr? In no particular order.

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Are you familiar with the difference between Count and Chronological order?

Its why i specifically stated in No Particular Order

Is this really something that needs to be explained?

I provided a [b]Count[./b]

Where did you play your football at again?



This is a ranking. Based on today
1.Tatum
2. Fox
3. Mitchell
4. Lauri
5. Kuzma
6. Dennis Smith
7. Josh Jackson
8. John Collins
9. Jonathon Isaac
10. Bam Adebayo
11. Jarrett Allen
12. Fultz
13. Ball

Next time i hope you are able to distinguish between what constitutes a count and what constitutes order.

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Next time I expect you to distinguish between a draft and notadraft.

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