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Author:  Spaulding [ Fri Apr 04, 2025 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Ovechkin
Is this really that big of a deal? For me this is like Emmet Smith being the rushing leader (and Frank Gore being third). I think gretzky and ovechkin's numbers are close but I'm not sure that means a whole lot.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
It's a big deal. No one thought anyone would ever break the goals or points records. Gretzky is still uncatchable in points, but with pre-1998 NHL record-keeping being what it was, it's possible a third of his assists were just made up.
Author:  Spaulding [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:11 am ]
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Ovechkin wasn't in a Nickelback video
Author:  Spaulding [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
In all seriousness I almost never think of Ovechkin even within his time as being great great if that makes sense.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Yeah, he was always second to Crosby because the Penguins built better teams around him than the Crapitals built around Ovechkin. I remember that year they had Adam Oates coaching the team and all he did was bitch about the way guys laced their skates, or the year they won the Presidents' Trophy and then got bounced by an 8-seed Habs team that was just Carey Price and duct tape. Also, he was proudly Russian and not exactly anti-Putin long before the war in Ukraine, which kind of kept him at arm's length during a good deal of his prime in the early '10s. But he was always great, and a better pure scorer than Secondary Sid.
Author:  denisdman [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Longevity is a big part of the greatness of athletes. Also, he is playing in an era where goals are much harder to come by. It is impressive. He looked really old last night…
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Only took him 7 more games than Gretzky to score that many goals.
Author:  RFDC [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Only took him 7 more games than Gretzky to score that many goals.

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Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
That is Gretzky’s total games played number. He scored his last goal several games before.
Author:  El Tommo [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Big Chicagoan wrote:
That is Gretzky’s total games played number. He scored his last goal several games before.

God, those Oilers teams were amazing. I think I saw many of the games in college, since they weren't really on tv back then.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Big Chicagoan wrote:
That is Gretzky’s total games played number. He scored his last goal several games before.

BC !! Good to see you .
Author:  badrogue17 [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
I never thought anyone would chase Gretzky’s number down. It’s as impressive as hell that he did it and will break the record especially in the offensive hockey starved times that he played a lot of his career in but he just doesn’t have the same cachet as being the record holder as Gretzky does.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
One of the unfortunate side effects of the political moment is that a lot of fans will be quick to say that Gretzky was never really that good anyway because he supports the Republicans. (And yes, I realize my hypocrisy in suggesting that many of his assists may have been fabricated, but I'm not the pro sports league that took a vibes-based approach to statistics for 80 years.) There have always been the contrarians who said Lemieux and Orr were better, maybe even some Gordie Howe holdouts, but there's going to be some major trashing of Gretzky's legacy, and that sucks.

As for adjusting for eras, let's not forget that Ovechkin started his career off in the "new NHL" where they overcorrected and called penalties on any incidental contact, and that Gretzky ended his career in the Dead Puck Era. However, '80s goaltending was notoriously shaky, and the lack of a salary floor led to some historically awful teams. With the balanced schedule, even the Kings could beat up on the new-depths-of-bad Nordiques four times a year.
Author:  Brick [ Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Tell me when he is in the greatest sports based cartoon of all time.
Author:  BigW72 [ Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Curious Hair wrote:
Yeah, he was always second to Crosby because the Penguins built better teams around him than the Crapitals built around Ovechkin. I remember that year they had Adam Oates coaching the team and all he did was bitch about the way guys laced their skates, or the year they won the Presidents' Trophy and then got bounced by an 8-seed Habs team that was just Carey Price and duct tape. Also, he was proudly Russian and not exactly anti-Putin long before the war in Ukraine, which kind of kept him at arm's length during a good deal of his prime in the early '10s. But he was always great, and a better pure scorer than Secondary Sid.

Taking nothing away from Ovechkin and the record he now holds.
Maybe they failed to build a good team around him...I always thought he was more of a stat-focused and selfish player.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Apr 08, 2025 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Fair to say a little of both. The Controller Disconnected gif will live in history right next to the goal record. But there were some pretty flimsy Caps teams at the same time the Penguins were going to back-to-back Finals. Some of that was Ovechkin being selfish and lazy (which I think people were all too happy to pin on him just for being Russian), but it was also weakness on the blue line and Boudreau's "I dunno do stuff" coaching philosophy.
Author:  shakes [ Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
Spaulding wrote:
Is this really that big of a deal? For me this is like Emmet Smith being the rushing leader (and Frank Gore being third). I think gretzky and ovechkin's numbers are close but I'm not sure that means a whole lot.


wtf post is this???


scoring goals is helluva harder than running behind Dallas' offensive line.


If anything, Gretzky had it easier because they goaltending has improved tremendously since then.


Love Gretz, but no way you can diminish what Ovie accomplished.
Author:  Spaulding [ Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ovechkin
That's not the comparison I was making.
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