Any take on what the case is actually about or the fact check on your claims?

I'm not saying anything specific to this POTUS. I really don't know. My guess would be that pretty much every administration tries to push their agenda and often gets shot down.

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I think that's parsing the idea. The POTUS picks a justice based on how he perceives their rulings will lean. Sometimes they're wrong. Personally I think the SCOTUS should be beyond those kinds of ideologies but that's sadly not the case.

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I don't think she is quite right here.

Vasectomies are still covered under Obamacare, right?

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I will never understand why the media or pols or population falls for all this war on womyn shit. If this was some other issue rather than a couple forms of birth control it would be a blip. Why women want to be equal and demand to be victimized at the same time amazes me.

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ask your wife and your girlfriend to get both answers.

Yeah but I still won't understand.

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but you'll have your answer. they don't care if you understand it or not. now take out the garbage.

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I can't say I blame them seeing as Viagra and vasectomies are still covered under Obamacare.

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GO BEARS!!!

Vasectomies yes but most private insurance does not cover Viagra, Cialis et al. And I thought the whole question here was like plan b and some other ones not the run of the mill birth control pill?

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I would think covering birth control would save more money for the company long term.

* My job is exempt from covering birth control and anything fertility related since it is a religious instituion. Would of been interesting to see what would of happened if this had gone through.

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Now you're qualifying your argument. How can a ruling which allows an employer to deny women access to a form of birth control while at the same time allowing men access to a form of birth control not be viewed as unfair?

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War on womyn. That's how.

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I am not qualifying anything. I am not against B/C and not religious guy. I thought I was saying that this case was narrowed to the plan b or other narrow types of B/C. I find it murky and interesting regardless of the actual reason for the case. Ginsberg said she was afraid it opens a ton of shit.

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I'm starting to get annoyed enough with the cloying, braying 'losing' side on this to the point I'm just ever so slightly beginning to consider overlooking the potential ramifications down the road to full-time hate the parade of asswipes bitching about the decision.

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You said earlier that you would never understand why people fall for this "war on womyn shit". After today's ruling how can you not blame a womyn for "falling" for that shit? Plan B and other emergency contraceptives delay and disrupt fertilization. Does a vasectomy not do the exact same thing?

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W_Z that is the basis of the religious argument. That some B/C is similar to abortion or after the fact when it comes to conception. That is not my issue. To take such a narrow thing i.e. Hobby Lobby as I understand does not object to normal B/C makes it a War on Womyn thing to me. Anyway bedtime catch you guys tomorrow.

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They close their stores on Sundays, sometimes they have Bible readings, pay above minimum wage, and the stores play religious music.I think they care about religion. Hobby Lobbys are not the most well run stores, they don't even have bar code scanners. While they are profitable, they are not completely concerned with the bottom line. Some of the Chicagoland stores make 50k profit or so.

Nobody is being discriminated against, imo. As far as I knew and unless something has changed they were only against the emergency abortion pill, iuds (which I think are horrible and if you really want to get into women causes that could be one), and some hormonal drugs. They aren't denying anybody birth control. Plus, I'm still not sure the government has the right to dictate what companies have to cover.

I was on the pill when I was younger, and I was not sexually active. Even though it was for medical reasons my parent's ins did not cover it. Don't know why or why not and I didn't really care. I think they had to pay 30 a month for it, and there were cheaper options available. This whole thing sounds like one of those things for people to be offended by.


The retirement plan may invest in the abortion pill, I could see them not knowing that. My household has money in different funds, I probably hate a few companies but I don't know that I'd look or ever thought of looking that deeply into it. It is also my understanding that the companies we invest in change.

Do people honestly believe that you are 100% guaranteed to conceive when you have unprotected sex? Because that's what it sounds like.

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I've been having unprotected sex for 22 years and never got anyone pregnant. Course, it's mostly been with men but still.

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So you're not proud of our child?

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W_Z what I know is don't you womyn. That is what saying they said is said. Bed.

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Who had their access to birth control denied?

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How much do birth control pills cost anyway? Are we really talking about like 10 bucks a month when people pay 16 times that for cable TV and 6 times that for a cheap cell phone with limited data?

What a whole lot of loud noises over nothing.

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i think you mean spiralstairs...i'm not like baby mcnown, in your head and shit am i?