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Bin Laden wanted infidels OUT of the Holy Land. That was his mission.


Bin Laden's issues with the U.S started because of U.S. occupation of Arabian soil. Had nothing to do with religion.


Are you saying that "Arabian soil" can be divorced from religion?


In the same vein that the American south can be as well. Everything down there is viewed through southern Baptist lenses, until they can't


Not even remotely similar thoughts. The American South was promised to a group in it's founding religious texts?


Go down south and talk about it not being God's country or going contrary to the southern Baptist interpretation of the word of God and then we'll talk.

If you think that they in large part don't want to supercede the constitution with their religious beliefs, I have a bridge to sell you

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Is comprehension a problem for you? Where did you get real Muslim from? Religion was used as a recruitment tool nothing more. If religion is the genesis and not geopolitics then why do Muslims war with other Muslims?

Bin Laden targeted the U.S because he didn't like the fact that they occupied Arabian lands.


Muslims are fighting a civil war because there was a schism within Islam. I will give you a second to look that up. I would have thought you knew since you are an expert. Bin Laden was mad about Arabian lands -why? Because they are sacred and promised to Muslims in their holy texts.

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Regular Reader wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Bin Laden wanted infidels OUT of the Holy Land. That was his mission.


Bin Laden's issues with the U.S started because of U.S. occupation of Arabian soil. Had nothing to do with religion.


Are you saying that "Arabian soil" can be divorced from religion?


In the same vein that the American south can be as well. Everything down there is viewed through southern Baptist lenses, until they can't


Not even remotely similar thoughts. The American South was promised to a group in it's founding religious texts?


Go down south and talk about it not being God's country or going contrary to the southern Baptist interpretation of the word of God and then we'll talk.

If you think that they in large part don't want to supercede the constitution with their religious beliefs, I have a bridge to sell you


Talk to whom specifically down South? Was this land promised to someone in the Bible? You do seem preoccupied with the American South to bring it into this discussion.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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Bin Laden wanted infidels OUT of the Holy Land. That was his mission.



Bin Laden's issues with the U.S started because of U.S. occupation of Arabian soil. Ayatollahs issues with the U.S. started because of U.S. intervention into Iranian politics. Had nothing to do with religion. If you look at Lebanon during the 80's you will see exactly the same picture. U.S. propagandists focus on religion because they have no moral basis for their actions.


Why is that ground sacred? Why would focusing on religion cause it to have better "moral basis" for US actions? You really have zero background in this. You read a few Chomsky-like articles, and you made your decision.


Unlike you I actually know a little bit about it. As long as we use religion as a subtext then there can never be a right nor wrong. It becomes a pissing match about which religion is better. The fact of the matter is that the United States is an occupier of Muslim countries. They resent it. We would too if it occurred here. Hell we are trying to institute a travel ban to prevent refugees from entering this country yet guys like you have no problem with troops and bombs entering theirs.


You moved away from the topic with total nonsense. What religion is better? That's ignorance. The discussion is about Bin Laden's motivations, and you've cowered away from it to say the travel ban is bad.

You have zero evidence to back this up other than, much like an Iman claiming to have superior knowledge without any proof. Was Bin Laden not a Muslim then?



You keep attacking me but I haven't heard one thing relevant yet. Shows that you know nothing. There is a distinction between a Muslim and a fanatic.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Is comprehension a problem for you? Where did you get real Muslim from? Religion was used as a recruitment tool nothing more. If religion is the genesis and not geopolitics then why do Muslims war with other Muslims?

Bin Laden targeted the U.S because he didn't like the fact that they occupied Arabian lands.


Muslims are fighting a civil war because there was a schism within Islam. I will give you a second to look that up. I would have thought you knew since you are an expert. Bin Laden was mad about Arabian lands -why? Because they are sacred and promised to Muslims in their holy texts.



Ok. You do realize that "Arabian" denotes ethnicity don't you?

Bin Laden never wanted U.S. aid in fighting Hussein. He believed that once they arrived they would never leave. He was right. He used history and not religion as a basis for his argument. You'd know that if you actually bothered to read a book.

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long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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long time guy wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Bin Laden wanted infidels OUT of the Holy Land. That was his mission.



Bin Laden's issues with the U.S started because of U.S. occupation of Arabian soil. Ayatollahs issues with the U.S. started because of U.S. intervention into Iranian politics. Had nothing to do with religion. If you look at Lebanon during the 80's you will see exactly the same picture. U.S. propagandists focus on religion because they have no moral basis for their actions.


Why is that ground sacred? Why would focusing on religion cause it to have better "moral basis" for US actions? You really have zero background in this. You read a few Chomsky-like articles, and you made your decision.


Unlike you I actually know a little bit about it. As long as we use religion as a subtext then there can never be a right nor wrong. It becomes a pissing match about which religion is better. The fact of the matter is that the United States is an occupier of Muslim countries. They resent it. We would too if it occurred here. Hell we are trying to institute a travel ban to prevent refugees from entering this country yet guys like you have no problem with troops and bombs entering theirs.


You moved away from the topic with total nonsense. What religion is better? That's ignorance. The discussion is about Bin Laden's motivations, and you've cowered away from it to say the travel ban is bad.

You have zero evidence to back this up other than, much like an Iman claiming to have superior knowledge without any proof. Was Bin Laden not a Muslim then?



You keep attacking me but I haven't heard one thing relevant yet. Shows that you know nothing. There is a distinction between a Muslim and a fanatic.


Why did he not want US troops in Arabia? Why did he go to fight a war in Afghanistan? What is the unifying belief in both instances?

The bolded part is attempting to stray from the discussion.

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I see that among other things, you have little understanding of a significant portion of the south and just want to confuse being cutesy with having no perspective again

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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.

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I see that among other things, you have little understanding of a significant portion of the south and just want to confuse being cutesy with having no perspective again


Because you say so? Your entire debating technique is saying the other person cannot possible have the experience to understand your perspective. In what sacred texts was the American South promised to a group?

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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
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particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
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particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places



Damn dude you are ignorant. Persian Gulf War occurred in 1991.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Requisite spin job focusing on Non Muslim troops will be forthcoming for sure. The origins of Bin Laden's anger towards the U.S. began here.

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long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
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particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places



Damn dude you are ignorant. Persian Gulf War occurred in 1991.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Requisite spin job focusing on Non Muslim troops will be forthcoming for sure. The origins of Bin Laden's anger towards the U.S. began here.


:lol:

You really are struggling here. Care to respond to the Fatwa?

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Regular Reader wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Bin Laden wanted infidels OUT of the Holy Land. That was his mission.


Bin Laden's issues with the U.S started because of U.S. occupation of Arabian soil. Had nothing to do with religion.


Are you saying that "Arabian soil" can be divorced from religion?


In the same vein that the American south can be as well. Everything down there is viewed through southern Baptist lenses, until they can't


Not even remotely similar thoughts. The American South was promised to a group in it's founding religious texts?


Go down south and talk about it not being God's country or going contrary to the southern Baptist interpretation of the word of God and then we'll talk.

If you think that they in large part don't want to supercede the constitution with their religious beliefs, I have a bridge to sell you

southern baptists anywhere will be but a whisper in 20 years. That sect is dying off quickly.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
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particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places



Damn dude you are ignorant. Persian Gulf War occurred in 1991.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Requisite spin job focusing on Non Muslim troops will be forthcoming for sure. The origins of Bin Laden's anger towards the U.S. began here.


:lol:

You really are struggling here. Care to respond to the Fatwa?


Comprehension is difficult for you chief. The article backs up everything that I said.

Also if it were all about Christianity and not Geopolitics then why was he willing to war with Hussein? The fight waged against Americans was originally intended for Hussein. You're clueless about which you speak.

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long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
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particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places



Damn dude you are ignorant. Persian Gulf War occurred in 1991.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Requisite spin job focusing on Non Muslim troops will be forthcoming for sure. The origins of Bin Laden's anger towards the U.S. began here.


:lol:

You really are struggling here. Care to respond to the Fatwa?


Comprehension is difficult for you chief. The article backs up everything that I said.

Also if it were all about Christianity and not Geopolitics then why was he willing to war with Hussein? The fight waged against Americans was originally intended for Hussein. You're clueless about which you speak.


It proves the opposite. It's a religious war. Read it and quit lying. He fought Hussein because he was not Muslim enough.

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southern baptists anywhere will be but a whisper in 20 years. That sect is dying off quickly.

southern baptists are celebrating as this guarantees their decline is over.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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He didn't want the troops in Arabia because he believed that they would occupy the country once the fighting was over. He believed that Al Queda would be sufficient in taking on Hussein. He used the history of U.S. occupations in other countries as a basis for his argument.


Wrong. These are the exact words of his Fatwa issued in 1996. http://college.cengage.com/history/prim ... osques.htm

No religious reasoning at all huh?
Quote:
particularly after they have occupied the blessed land of Jerusalem, route of the journey of the Prophet,[5]...and the land of the two Holy Places



Damn dude you are ignorant. Persian Gulf War occurred in 1991.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Requisite spin job focusing on Non Muslim troops will be forthcoming for sure. The origins of Bin Laden's anger towards the U.S. began here.


:lol:

You really are struggling here. Care to respond to the Fatwa?


Comprehension is difficult for you chief. The article backs up everything that I said.

Also if it were all about Christianity and not Geopolitics then why was he willing to war with Hussein? The fight waged against Americans was originally intended for Hussein. You're clueless about which you speak.


It proves the opposite. It's a religious war. Read it and quit lying. He fought Hussein because he was not Muslim enough.



I don't think Christianity was used once. This is one tough slog. Now he fought Hussein because he wasn't "Muslim enough". You don't have a clue. Might be time to tap out pal.

It seems that you are the fanatical in all of this.

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I just love coming back to a thread five pages later to find it full of LTG making claims but not backing them up with evidence, or even better Regular Reader AKA Old Black Man yells at clouds.


http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Every claim that I made was supported in this article.

Just another dude with Message Board bias.

"AL QUEDA REALLY GOT ON THE ROAD TO 9/11 BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF AMERICAN TROOPS IN SAUDI ARABIA"

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I just love coming back to a thread five pages later to find it full of LTG making claims but not backing them up with evidence, or even better Regular Reader AKA Old Black Man yells at clouds.


http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Every claim that I made was supported in this article.

Just another dude with Message Board bias.


Did it take you this long to dig up one article? ONE ARTICLE? It doesn't even focus exclusively on Bin Laden!

Read the man's own Fatwah against Saudi Arabia in 1996. His own words.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

Opening statement:
Quote:
Praise be to Allah, we seek His help and ask for his pardon. we take
refuge in Allah from our wrongs and bad deeds. Who ever been guided
by Allah will not be misled, and who ever has been misled, he will never
be guided. I bear witness that there is no God except Allah-no associates
with Him- and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and
messenger.


One of his many grievances against the Suadi kingdom being too secular
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Through its course
of actions the regime has torn off its legitimacy:
(1) Suspension of the Islamic Shari'ah law and exchanging it with man
made civil law. The regime entered into a bloody confrontation with the
truthful Ulamah and the righteous youths (we sanctify nobody; Allah
sanctify Whom He pleaseth).



Or lets ask the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/was-osama-bin-laden-not-a-muslim-leader/2011/05/03/AFdVDUjF_blog.html

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Scheuer, however, notes that bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa “was signed by fully credentialed Islamic scholars, thus giving it religious authority;” assemblies of Islamic scholars in Afghanistan and Pakistan then gave the fatwa “confirmation and authorization” shortly after its publication. He said that this approval provided bin Laden’s fatwa with “theological gravitas” that means there will be forever an “an unending debate about whose fatwa was bigger.”


What says you Atlantic?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/01/the-gospel-according-to-osama-bin-laden/302376/
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Bin Laden's militant-Islamic thought represents a fascinating mixture of several strands. To borrow the terminology of Olivier Roy, a French scholar of Islamic radicalism, it is in part "Islamist"; bin Laden has advocated overturning Islamic society politically by toppling or spiritually transforming (through intimidation) its leadership. But bin Laden has not wanted to fracture Islamic society, creating divisions among the faithful that could be exploited by the West or by pro-Western Muslims. Bin Laden's fear of religious division, or fitna, is perhaps the main reason why hatred of the Saudi royal family



Or let's check his book shelf
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/features/bin-laden-s-bookshelf?start=2
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My Muslim Nation (Arabic Language Version)
O ye who believe (Arabic Language Version)
Our honorable Shaykh (Arabic Language Version)
Our respected Shaykh (Arabic Language Version)
Please Give Me Your News (Arabic Language Version)
Portion of letter to Waziristan (Arabic Language Version)
Praise be to God the Lord of all worlds (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah God of all creations (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah the God of all creation (Arabic Language Version)
Ramadan Greetings from Abu Abdallah al-Halabi to Khalid (Arabic Language Version)
Recommendations for the Mujahidin Entering Afghanistan (Arabic Language Version)
Report on our visit (Arabic Language Version)



Seems like some light reading to me. Dude really committed to the bit. Or may just maybe he was in fact motivated by religion.

LTG you have been and continue to be an intellectual lightweight and all around joke. May God have mercy on your soul.

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http://www.npr.org/2011/02/24/133991181 ... -resonates

Every claim that I made was supported in this article.

Just another dude with Message Board bias.


Did it take you this long to dig up one article? ONE ARTICLE? It doesn't even focus exclusively on Bin Laden?

Read the man's own Fatwah against Saudi Arabia in 1996. His own words.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

Opening statement:
Quote:
Praise be to Allah, we seek His help and ask for his pardon. we take
refuge in Allah from our wrongs and bad deeds. Who ever been guided
by Allah will not be misled, and who ever has been misled, he will never
be guided. I bear witness that there is no God except Allah-no associates
with Him- and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and
messenger.


One of his many grievances against the Suadi kingdom being too secular
Quote:
Through its course
of actions the regime has torn off its legitimacy:
(1) Suspension of the Islamic Shari'ah law and exchanging it with man
made civil law. The regime entered into a bloody confrontation with the
truthful Ulamah and the righteous youths (we sanctify nobody; Allah
sanctify Whom He pleaseth).



Or lets ask the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/was-osama-bin-laden-not-a-muslim-leader/2011/05/03/AFdVDUjF_blog.html

Quote:
Scheuer, however, notes that bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa “was signed by fully credentialed Islamic scholars, thus giving it religious authority;” assemblies of Islamic scholars in Afghanistan and Pakistan then gave the fatwa “confirmation and authorization” shortly after its publication. He said that this approval provided bin Laden’s fatwa with “theological gravitas” that means there will be forever an “an unending debate about whose fatwa was bigger.”


What says you Atlantic?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/01/the-gospel-according-to-osama-bin-laden/302376/
Quote:
Bin Laden's militant-Islamic thought represents a fascinating mixture of several strands. To borrow the terminology of Olivier Roy, a French scholar of Islamic radicalism, it is in part "Islamist"; bin Laden has advocated overturning Islamic society politically by toppling or spiritually transforming (through intimidation) its leadership. But bin Laden has not wanted to fracture Islamic society, creating divisions among the faithful that could be exploited by the West or by pro-Western Muslims. Bin Laden's fear of religious division, or fitna, is perhaps the main reason why hatred of the Saudi royal family



Or let's check his book shelf
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/features/bin-laden-s-bookshelf?start=2
Quote:
My Muslim Nation (Arabic Language Version)
O ye who believe (Arabic Language Version)
Our honorable Shaykh (Arabic Language Version)
Our respected Shaykh (Arabic Language Version)
Please Give Me Your News (Arabic Language Version)
Portion of letter to Waziristan (Arabic Language Version)
Praise be to God the Lord of all worlds (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah God of all creations (Arabic Language Version)
Praise is to Allah the God of all creation (Arabic Language Version)
Ramadan Greetings from Abu Abdallah al-Halabi to Khalid (Arabic Language Version)
Recommendations for the Mujahidin Entering Afghanistan (Arabic Language Version)
Report on our visit (Arabic Language Version)



Seems like some light reading to me. Dude really committed to the bit. Or may just maybe he was in fact motivated by religion.

LTG you have been and continue to be an intellectual lightweight and all around joke. May God have mercy on your soul.



Dude I actually due this for a living and have a Master's degree in the subject. I will be happy to lock up with clowns like you any day. Anyone can cherry pick. There are plenty of books on the subject of Bin Laden's motivation. One such book the Bin Laden's by Steve Coll perfectly surmises the issue.

Again when you feel like locking up let's rock. This is what the fuck I do. Religion is the American backed narrative. If it were about Islam he would not have volunteered to fight Hussein.

History backs it up. Not right wing spin conducted by message board hacks.

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Dude I actually due this for a living and have a Master's degree in the subject. I will be happy to lock up with clowns like you any day. Anyone can cherry pick. There are plenty of books on the subject of Bin Laden's motivation. One such book the Bin Laden's by Steve Coll perfectly surmises the issue.

Again when you feel like locking up let's rock. This is what the fuck I do. Religion is the American backed narrative. If it were about Islam he would not have volunteered to fight Hussein.

History backs it up. Not right wing spin conducted by message board hacks.



You cant even edit quotes for board posterity. I can't take anything you say seriously. Your "come at me bro" moment left me in stitches

How much did Phoenix Online charge you for a masters in bullshit?


How is Osama's own writings and literary collection right wing spin?

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Dude I actually due this for a living and have a Master's degree in the subject. I will be happy to lock up with clowns like you any day. Anyone can cherry pick. There are plenty of books on the subject of Bin Laden's motivation. One such book the Bin Laden's by Steve Coll perfectly surmises the issue.

Again when you feel like locking up let's rock. This is what the fuck I do. Religion is the American backed narrative. If it were about Islam he would not have volunteered to fight Hussein.

History backs it up. Not right wing spin conducted by message board hacks.



You cant even edit quotes for board posterity. I can't take anything you say seriously. Your "come at me bro" moment left me in stitches

How much did Phoenix Online charge you for a masters in bullshit?


How is Osama's own writings and literary collection right wing spin?


Quote editing obviously isn't a sign of intellect if you are a guru at it.

2nd if you were familiar with Bin Ladian quotes you'd know that most of his rhetoric related to American foreign policy. Bin Laden was a student of U.S. History (which you obviously aren't) and much of diatribe related to American influence in the region. He wasn't even the spiritual leader for Al Queda. Many people within their organization viewed him merely as a financial source.

Again whenever you choose to lock with this feel free. Nothing in that article related to a holy war yet you in your message board hackness chose to see that it did. No mention of Christianity at all.

American spinmeisters like you have conflated this to be a war between good religion (Christianity) and bad religion (Islam). Look at those Muslims while they are blowing up buildings and running Vans into people. Please excuse us as we throw rockets and bombs at them. Keep in mind that we are only doing it for their own good.

We are attempting to civilize them even as we commit acts that are uncivilized and inhumane. Only understand that this is part of "progress" and not meant to harm. That quack Bin Laden could never quite understand this. He thought that we meant to harm as we overthrew govts and stole oil. He was sadly mistaken of course. We were there to help not harm. We only supplied the Shah with guns and technical support for the purpose of bringing peace to Iranian society.

Oh that damn Hussein. Why did he have drop the poisonous gases that we supplied. Those silly Saudis. We really have worked extra hard to change their repressive monarchy. Our dedication to human rights is exemplified by our condemnation of their many infractions. Yeah how those sanctions working out Saudis?

US boots had nothing to do with 9/11 yet 19 of 23 just so coincidentally happened to be Saudis.

It is truly clowns like you that do the entire process a disservice. You don't know a damn thing about which you speak.

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What do you expect from (((the liberal media)))?

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Bin Laden wasnt a religious fanatic. His problems with the United States were related to geopolitics not religion.

Muslims aren't the only group of people with terrorist organizations either. Other groups have them also.


Name one active terrorist group that is remotely similar.


The Mossad

hoo boy


Another of the know it all yet know nothings shows up to add absolutely nothing. Typical and not unexpected. Oh bet he knows how to use a quote function though.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mo ... ins-202192

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