When Caleb gets Johnson whacked the narrative will be that Johnson is just another hotshot coordinator that is a terrible head coach. Plus whomever replaces Poles after this season will undoubtedly want "their own guy" as Head Coach. Which means Johnson will be toast in 3 years max. Again. Book It!

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Mostly because the Bears brass will still cling to the notion that he is "generational" and such his failings as a player were due to bad coaching. Not even wunderkind Ben Johnson will be exempt from such thinking.

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I know, it was just a joke.

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Caleb isn't making it to his big money deal days in Chicago if Ben Johnson is fired.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

My ranking of job security for key Bears personnel (from most secure to least secure):

1) Ben Johnson
2) Caleb Williams
3) Ryan Poles

If this is another disappointing season for the Bears, Poles will be gone.

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That sure worked out nice.

My point, contrary to what LTG is arguing, is that Poles is not the most important voice in determining whether or not Caleb has a future with the organization since it seems likely that Poles does not have a future with the organization. Warren is getting ready to plant a knife in Poles' back. It's what he's best at.

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My intuition is different. Caleb is on a shorter leash than you think. In everybody's mind they wonder, "Is Caleb all in?" His words say so, but does his attitude and actions say so?

Agreed. and I am not sure how anyone could see it differently. But we are talking LTG

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It was telling that one of the first things Johnson lectured Caleb on was his body language.

But the bigger question is whether or not he can actually play. Nate Tice says he's very optimistic about Caleb's chance at excelling in 2025 because he has a great offensive coach who will "get him outside the pocket" and give him "opportunities to throw on the move". Question: Does this approach ever work? The basic responsibility of a quarterback is to throw from the pocket. If you are designing an offense around the idea that your quarterback needs to throw from outside the pocket, your offense won't be very effective. The bottom line is that we still have no idea whether or not Williams can fulfill the basic responsibility demanded by his position.

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That's not what Johnson said To Colin Cowherd yesterday. He said he didn't want to discourage Caleb from leaving the pocket, not that he would actively endorse it as Nate Tice has opined.

I think you missed my point. Tice says he loves Williams, but he also seems to hold the opinion that Williams can't throw from the pocket and therefore can't play his position.

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Poles will be the first of the 3 launched. Which will happen immediately after the season. The other 2 are tougher to decipher. Of the 2 i still can see Johnson being first. First time head coach with an extremely light OC resume. Tailor made to be shit channed. They have one more head coach in them before they move on from.Caleb. Book it

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There is literally no way that they keep Johnson and bounce Caleb the more you think about it. Particularly given that Johnson's primary task is to "fix" Caleb. At the very least they move on from both at the same time.

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if we're going to have another bad Bears season, I'll take that if it launches Poles.

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If Williams is a bust, Johnson will be around long enough to draft a QB unless they find porn in his desk etc.

There is definitely a way that they keep Johnson and bounce Caleb. There are a lot of variables at play. If Caleb is just awful the next 2 seasons they could get rid of him and give Johnson another swing with another QB. It is very unlikely that Johnson is only HC for 2 seasons.

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Same problems as last season in terms of accuracy.
https://www.chicitysports.com/case-keen ... s-nfl-news

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Also, Johnsons primary task is not fixing Williams.

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http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Sure it isn't buddy. Sure.

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Yup. If a career nobody like Keenum continues to be the best of the Bears QBs through training camp, the team will have a huge problem on its hands.

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And Caleb apologists will just continue to say that none of it matters. OTAs, Training Camp, Pre Season etc. It was obvious from watching him in the preseason last year that he had accuracy problems. I said it on here. Simple screens passes that should have hit receivers in stride were being thrown at their feet.

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And Caleb apologists will just continue to say that none of it matters. OTAs, Training Camp, Pre Season etc. It was obvious from watching him in the preseason last year that he had accuracy problems. I said it on here. Simple screen passes that should have hit receivers in stride were being thrown at their feet.

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