How about it’s just horribly disappointing that the Bears have fucked up the draft and trades for three straight years when had an historic run of draft pick resources. I don’t understand what Caleb Williams has to do with it, I mean aside from being the most grueling of all those misses (which is saying something when they took Darnell Wrong over Jalen Carter).

Isn't there an argument that Caleb gets two years in this new system before considering him a success or failure? The OL is going to take 4+ games to jell, there's still a gaping hole at RB, etc. I'm not saying these are built in excuses, just saying that if he continues to struggle into next year, assuming the RB position is addressed next year and the OL is intact, then there's serious questions to be asked about him long term.

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yeah I would fully expect him to get 2 years with Johnson unless things are just a complete train wreck.

I mean we as the fans should know pretty quickly this season if he is the guy or another speed bump in the clown car of the QB position

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

His talent is undeniable.

My issues from the start, and they have born themselves out unfortunately, is that he’s an uncountable, narcissistic little shit. He has obvious character issues that went unnoticed by the BEAR’s brain trust

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Ross Tucker was just on m&h and said he's got big concerns about Caleb and if he had to bet whether he would still be the QB in 3 years, he would probably say no.

He struggles to read defenses, throw with anticipation, and throw from the pocket accurately beyond a distance of 10-15 yards. Much like Fields, he flees the pocket to compensate for his inability to throw within the structure of an offensive system. I'd say his talent is very much in question.

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He has far better fundamentals than Fields had/has.

Quicker release, which cuts down on sacks. But he is unwilling to take whatever a defense gives him. Wants to play hero ball on every snap.

His blaming others for not watching film with him is unbelievably childish behavior. Releasing the info to Wickersham at this point in time is a real head scratcher.

His unwillingness yesterday to address it publicly is a bad decision at best, and thoroughly gutless at worst.

And his teammates noticed.

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He's the standard coddled QB like pretty much every other QB out there in the NFL.

If he throws for 30 touchdowns next year then it's not going to be a big deal.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It won't be as big of a deal.

He's not respected in his own locker room. 30TD's isn't an automatic to change that.

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I cannot think of a single circumstance where a QB who is performing well is not respected in the locker room.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This controversy kind of reminds me of a few years ago. When Kyler Murray was getting criticized because he wasn't spending enough time watching film. When you combine this with DJ Moore's body language towards Caleb, you gotta wonder what's going on.

A quick release is great if you can read defenses. Williams hasn't shown he can do that. I should also add that QBs who begin their careers with astronomically high sack rates like Williams did typically struggle to bring them down to a rate that is slightly below average or better, if they ever do (most do not).

Further, regardless of Williams' "better fundamentals", his accuracy beyond 15 yards was far worse than that of Fields and just about every other NFL starting QB in the last several years.

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Moore's body language was probably because Williams threw to more people than just him and Kmet. Moore actually got targeted more by Williams than he did from Fields. However, these were the next 3 targets.

Williams targeted him 140 times. Fields targeted him 136 times.
Williams:
Allen 121
Odunza 101
Kmet 55

Fields:
Kmet 90
Mooney 61
Johnson 40

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Jayden Daniels was liked and respected by his teammates from his first OTA practices with Washington. Caleb Williams has done nothing but alienate his teammates. Poles is a poor judge of NFL talent and, apparently, a worse judge of character.

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this is something you made up

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That's because he played better than Williams. There was the same "He didn't want to go to Washington" stuff from Daniels.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Jayden Daniels has his mom follow him around to stop women from talking to him.

A few bad games and that locker room respect is gone.

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what is the huge character flaw, telling your dad that Shane Waldron doesn't tell you what to watch on tape?

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Again, Jayden Daniels earned the trust and respect of his teammates well BEFORE the season began, which is part of the reason why all of the ESPN analysts like Louis Riddick, Jeremi Fowler and others were predicting that he was going to be rookie of the year during training camp.

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Prove it.

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Louis Riddick called Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky "Maserati Mitch", who cares

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Prove the future hypothetical or the mom thing?

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You should care that Williams didn't impress his teammates in the same way that Daniels did prior to the season.

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No, that's because Daniels showed up more NFL-ready than Williams. We can argue why that is the case but Williams struggled mightily out of the gate and it wasn't because his teammates didn't like him.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The poorly thought through prediction that you presented as fact.

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You want me to prove today something that will happen in the future if something else happens?

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it's awesome you're doing the same thing with Williams as you did with Stroud, good luck.

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Agreed. He wasn't ready for the NFL physically or mentally. And he may never be.

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Huh?

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You're the one who made a prediction that you stated as fact, so I assumed you had more than wishful thinking behind it as justification.

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