where's that evidence only two coaches could talk to Caleb shithead?

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Is that the podcast he does with Kaplan?

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Kmet was on CHGO. Lewis podcast with Kap is where Keenan talked about Waldron and Caleb being a professional. On a hot mic, Kap shated that Mercedes Lewis questioned Caleb's preparation.

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I think there is still a lot of room between never having met the passing game coordinator and the passing game coordinator “being in his ear” that would have been pretty acceptable.

I am almost certain there is way more to this whole story of him not wanting to go to the Bears and trying to engineer a different landing spot. As in he made some pre draft demands the Bears acquiesced to because they didn’t want to be humiliated. And sure there’s a new coach and the Bears would have you believe everything is different this time, but there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle.

We’ll see when training camp rolls around.

Reread your post. It is self-contradictory. Williams made a poor impression on his teammates last year. Maybe he'll do better next year. His extended European vacation leads me to believe otherwise, though, since his work ethic appears to be worse than Fields'.

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I told you where you could find it. Go look it up yourself, you self-important douche. Nobody around here is your cabana boy.

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I listened, that's a pretty fair description. Eberflus and Waldron should've never been coaching for the Bears in 2024, almost all of these issues from Allen and Lewis description of them could've have been completely nipped in the bud early on by confident, competent coaches. Ben Johnson strikes me as a guy that knows exactly what he wants and he'll either get it out of Caleb or someone else, but it won't be a negotiation. Thomas Brown was an awful game day coach, but he at least seemed like he understood the theory of how to coach a rookie QB, Waldron was lost.

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Are you USA now? anyway, there's absolutely nothing that exists that says Waldron and Eberflus were the only coaches allowed to talk to Caleb. You were wrong and so was your intellectual equal.

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I find it almost impossible to believe Sean McVay would’ve promoted Shane Waldron twice and that Pete Carroll would’ve hired him as offensive coordinator in the first place, let alone kept him around for the remainder of his tenure in Seattle, if Waldron was half the idiot Bears fans and Bears media portray him as.

Matt Nagy is the next Bill Walsh with this logic

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Uh, no. Not really. See if you can figure out how.

This list is certainly... interesting...

2024 NFL Draft
Round 1, pick No. 1: Caleb Williams, quarterback, USC
Round 1, pick No. 9: Rome Odunze, wide receiver, Washington
Round 3, pick No. 75: Kiran Amegadjie, offensive tackle, Yale
Round 5, pick No. 122: Tory Taylor, punter, Iowa
Round 5, pick No. 144: Austin Booker, defensive end, Kansas

2023 NFL Draft
Round 1, pick No. 10: Darnell Wright, offensive tackle, Tennesee
Round 2, pick No. 53: Gervon Dexter, defensive tackle, Florida
Round 2, pick. No. 56: Tyrique Stevenson, defensive back, Miami
Round 3, pick No. 64: Zacch Pickens, defensive tackle, Georgia
Round 4, pick No. 115: Roschon Johnson, running back, Texas
Round 4, pick No. 133: Tyler Scott, wide receiver, Cincinnati
Round 5, pick No. 148: Noah Sewell, linebacker, Oregon
Round 5, pick No. 165: Terrell Smith, defensive back, Minnesota
Round 7, pick No. 218: Travis Bell, defensive tackle, Kennesaw State
Round 7, pick No. 258: Kendall Williamson, safety, Stanford

2022 NFL Draft
Round 2, pick No. 39: Kyler Gordon, defensive back, Washington
Round 2, pick, No. 48: Jaquan Brisker, safety, Penn State
Round 3, pick No. 71: Velus Jones Jr., wide receiver, Tennessee
Round 5, pick No. 168: Braxton Jones, offensive tackle, Southern Utah
Round 5, pick No. 174: Dominique Robinson, defensive end, Miami (Ohio)
Round 6, pick No. 186: Zachary Thomas, offensive lineman, San Diego State
Round 6, pick No. 203: Trestan Ebner, running back, Baylor
Round 6, pick No. 207: Doug Kramer, offensive lineman, Illinois
Round 7, pick No. 227: Ja'Tyre Carter, offensive lineman, Southern
Round 7, pick No. 254: Elijah Hicks, safety, California
Round 7, pick No. 255: Trenton Gill, punter, North Carolina State

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Andy Reid said he was the best HC candidate he'd ever employed, whoops.

That's much higher praise than what Sean McVay did for Waldron, never promoting him to OC and getting demoted from QB coach:

Los Angeles Rams (2017)
Tight ends coach
Los Angeles Rams (2018)
Passing game coordinator
Los Angeles Rams (2019)
Passing game coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Los Angeles Rams (2020)
Pass game coordinator

lost his QB coach job to none other than Dave Ragone.

but maybe Matt Stafford was demanding only two coaches talk to him, you could certainly lie about that in this case too.

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See, I think that's the potential subliminal message being shared in all of this.

Did Waldron and the coaching staff know early in training camp that the guy was uncoachable? Is that why he was left on his own? No first 15. No video.

The "leadership council" goes to the coaches in, what, week 3? Was "coach us harder" really just "coach Caleb"?

Were guys like Moore and Kmet not trying or running routes hard because they had already thrown in the towel?

Maybe the character issues were noticeable, Poles went forward with it anyway, and Eberflus and Waldron put on a smile knowing it was all going right into the shitter.

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You didn’t figure out how :(

You would not expect it to lead to a GM getting a contract extension.

Waldron didn't have the spine to challenge Caleb. It took Black Dad challenging Caleb for him to attempt to change. Ben Johnson has a spine and a record of success. No excuses.

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did you figure out how many coaches could talk to Caleb last year champ?

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that's 100% what this was : The "leadership council" goes to the coaches in, what, week 3? Was "coach us harder" really just "coach Caleb"?

The rest of your possibilities involve a lot of people destroying the season out of laziness and spite, and in the coaches case, their careers. Much worse than Caleb's supposed uncoachability.

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Caleb got worse after Waldron left.

Waldron had the talent to be an OC, and has an NFL track record.

Williams has the talent to be a top QB.

Early returns are on his record are troubling.

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The arm is not as-advertised. Though to be fair when you see him against quality college competition it wasn’t as-advertised either. His talent looked a lot better playing San Jose State, Stanford and Nevada than it did against Notre Dame, Washington and Oregon.

I don’t know when people are going to realize this whole thing was a work from the beginning. The hype wasn’t actually backed up and all these issues he had in the pros he also had in college whenever he played a quality opponent.

I don't think Caleb had a good rookie year, I also don't think he'll beat most of the statistical benchmarks Brick set up this year. I'm not in some delusional fantasy world where I'm grafting all of my extremely bizarre cultural complaints onto a 23 year old QB. When people are blatantly lying or coming up with scenarios where everyone else on the team supposedly committed much worse crimes against professionalism than the accusations they're lobbing at Caleb to try and make those accusations stick, this has ceased to be anything close to a rational discussion.

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He became a better pro. He even reluctantly admitted that MANY of the 100 sacks were his fault.

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Well, the problem is he needs to learn how to throw the football where the receiver is. Not a great problem to have for an NFL quarterback to be honest.

Once Ben Johnson drops his pants in the locker, I'm sure it will immediately help Caleb's ability to throw accurately past 15 yards. I'm confident.

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If I were a deranged Caleb supporter I could say that idiot ball control and defensive HC Eberflus told him to avoid INTs at all costs and that's what the accuracy issues were. But I'm not going to do that. But if I were, that's what I would say.

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Idiot ball control and defensive HC Eberflus told him to avoid INTs at all costs and that's what the accuracy issues were.

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Justin Fields played in 12 full games with D.J. Moore while Caleb played in 17

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What does that have to do with how the ball was distributed?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!