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Its unrealistic for anyone to think that Ben Johnson is god's gift to coaching when we were repeatedly instructed by CFMB's gurus that he is god's gift to coaching

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It's not a concern that Johnson hasn't immediately fixed all of Caleb's problems.

It is a concern, however, that Caleb has so many problems to fix.

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It's not a concern that Johnson hasn't immediately fixed all of Caleb's problems.

It is a concern, however, that Caleb has so many problems to fix.

"We" were always led to believe that the only 2 problems that needed fixing were the OC and Head Coach however. Nothing was ever wrong with Caleb the player. His only problem happened to be the 2 boobs who happened to be coaching him.

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It's not a concern that Johnson hasn't immediately fixed all of Caleb's problems.

It is a concern, however, that Caleb has so many problems to fix.

"We" were always led to believe that the only 2 problems that needed fixing were the OC and Head Coach however. Nothing was ever wrong with Caleb the player. His only problem happened to be the 2 boobs who happened to be coaching him.


No one said he was a complete player. He's a rookie who needed to work on reading defenses, improve his timing and not run around the back field playing hero ball. That's what you were led to believe from people on this forum.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
It's not a concern that Johnson hasn't immediately fixed all of Caleb's problems.

It is a concern, however, that Caleb has so many problems to fix.

"We" were always led to believe that the only 2 problems that needed fixing were the OC and Head Coach however. Nothing was ever wrong with Caleb the player. His only problem happened to be the 2 boobs who happened to be coaching him.

The good news is that we'll get all of the answers this season.

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USA wrote:
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No one said he was a complete player.

Wat


Who said he was going to the Pro Bowl last year or finish with the MVP?

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There is a helluva lot revisionism going on around where Caleb is concerned these days.

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There is a helluva lot revisionism going on around where Caleb is concerned these days.

It’s the first step in the journey of a quarterback bust. Lowering and revising expectations to fit the outcome.

This time last year you basically couldn’t escape hearing anything about the Bears without being bombarded with 1) generational 2) best situation for a rookie quarterback ever.


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Darkside wrote:
Immediate... :lol:


Ben Johnson has special powers that turn anyone into an NFL QB just by walking into the room.

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It’s the first step in the journey of a quarterback bust. Lowering and revising expectations to fit the outcome.

Here is your chance!
https://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=133321

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USA wrote:
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There is a helluva lot revisionism going on around where Caleb is concerned these days.

It’s the first step in the journey of a quarterback bust. Lowering and revising expectations to fit the outcome.

This time last year you basically couldn’t escape hearing anything about the Bears without being bombarded with 1) generational 2) best situation for a rookie quarterback ever.


Yep. Whenever there was a comment proclaiming how poorly Caleb Williams was playing in practice, the Juices of the world was always right there with a "snappy" comebqck about how wrong everyone happened to be.
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Mully and Haugh are trying to talk themselves off the ledge regarding Caleb's recent string of poor practices.


They are trying to create listener interest. Earlier, they were talking about the Cubs being back in it. The station has become so disingenuous with its content it is difficult to believe anything they produce. The weekend shows are usually pretty good because they don't get the memos from Mitch on what to push

We, and the reporters, have no idea of the dynamics and the goal of any individual practice. It's like reporters writing about a pitcher getting roughed up in spring training only to later find that he was developing a new pitch.

That old scout who Frank ran off the board used to say that you don't scout the numbers.


I don't think Williams has had a good practice since they put pads on. That ain't a positive trend. Hopefully he will find his footing soon.

Incidentally, that old scout you favorably quoted, Keyser Soze, had the worst eye for talent among any board regulars.


Yeah from everything I've read he was ok in 7 on 7s but each time that there was 11 on 11 with pads on he struggles. Which (I suspect) is the primary reason that Eberflus is playing cat and mouse games with whether to play him this weekend.


7 on 7s are designed for the offense to succeed. If the QB isn't perfect or close to it in those drills, something is wrong. Full team drills are a much more accurate measure of player development. And Williams has sucked in them thus far. I think this is fairly normal, though. Rookie QBs often hit training camp walls. Williams just needs to find a way to work out of his.


C.J. Strout was killing it with 11 on 11 at the same point last year.

When Stroud wasn't throwing touchdown passes, he helped the offense move the chains during 11-on-11 play. For the third consecutive practice, Stroud's production led to an efficient performance for the offense while he continued to get the ball out quicker.

Coach DeMeco Ryans has not named Stroud the Texans' official starter four days before their first preseason game against the New England Patriots. But every snap Stroud has taken since Thursday's practice has been with the first team — despite solid play from Mills.


As soon as the season started and it was obvious that Caleb sucked, Juiced began yelling about him being "just another rookie" who happened to be going through the sort of growing pains that all rookies go through.

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If true, here's some encouraging news about Caleb's progress thus far under Ben Johnson:

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That said, from Day 1, Williams’s buy-in on Ben Johnson has been high.

The 23-year-old was there, alongside DJ Moore and Rome Odunze, for the introductory press conference, which is a small, but notable, thing for a guy to do coming off his rookie year. That, in turn, gave the two their first chance to sit down and talk face-to-face. And it also showed that Williams had an understanding of the responsibility that would come with his place as the Bears’ franchise quarterback, which would be Johnson’s starting point anyway.

Williams was around the building a lot from that point forward, which gave Johnson, offensive coordinator Declan Doyle and QBs coach J.T. Barrett a shot to organically build their relationship. That facilitated some hard truths to be doled out at the start of the offseason program in April.


There were two areas where the coaches wanted improvement from Williams. Both related to how he carried himself as the quarterback, based on what the 2024 season showed. One was body language. The other was presnap procedure.

On the former, while the coaches understood the beating he took, they showed film to emphasize how he’d been slow to pull himself up off the ground. It was a long year. People got fired in-season. And in adverse circumstances, the staff explained, having a quarterback who was rolling with the punches would go a long way. On the latter, there was a smattering of small things—like on the first play of one game, he turned to his left, thinking the motion was coming, when it was actually coming from the right—that needed to be cleaned up.


To Williams’s credit, he welcomed every piece of criticism in an effort to get better. Which allowed the staff to move quickly to a lot of Lions tape, to give Williams an idea of what Johnson would be bringing from Detroit with him, and Matthew Stafford film, to bring some visuals to what they’d try to work him toward technique and fundamentals-wise.

Progress, thus far, has been steady, and Williams is working at it. The Bears adding Case Keenum to the quarterback room was, indeed, intentional, and Williams has taken advantage of it, in using Keenum almost as another coach after hours (to work around the CBA-mandated limits on what the coaches can actually do with the players at this point in the calendar). And, on the field, Williams has been good for at least one “did he really do that?” throw every day.


So, at this point, it’s fair to say things are as good as they could be.

Which, to be sure, is better than they were five or six months ago.

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I love the idea of a veteran respected QB walking along side of him and being able to log hours with him that coaches cannot. That seems very valuable. Keenum seems like the perfect fit for such a role.

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Yeah, the fact that they didn't have a veteran QB on the roster last year seems like a pretty strong indictment of Poles.

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Yeah, the fact that they didn't have a veteran QB on the roster last year seems like a pretty strong indictment of Poles.


Backup-proofing the roster like that seems like a directive from above Poles.

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So, at this point, it’s fair to say things are as good as they could be.

Which, to be sure, is better than they were five or six months ago.

And five or six months ago before that it was the best situation a rookie quarterback has ever been in with a generational talent to boot. That one ended with an offensive coordinator who was good enough to work with Pete Carroll in that position for three years getting shitcanned mid season because Caleb was so bad (and after Waldron left Caleb got even worse).

The bullshit is going to get smeared on real thick here these next three months before the actual games get played.


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The bullshit is going to get smeared on real thick here these next three months before the actual games get played.
If that concerns you how about you provide some of your own over/unders on Caleb Williams?

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Yeah, the fact that they didn't have a veteran QB on the roster last year seems like a pretty strong indictment of Poles.


Backup-proofing the roster like that seems like a directive from above Poles.


If they were going to give Justin Fields away for a 6th Rd pick then they should have just kept him and allowed them to compete for the job. Its obvious from the way they went aboit their business that they believed that Caleb was "NFL ready" If there was any inkling that he was not, then they should not have gone into the season with only Tyson Bagent as their primary backup.

Poles took the coward's way out by handing the team over to a kid that clearly wasn't ready to win last season. And now they are still paying for it. If the Bears are not a double digit win team this season then it is a huge letdown based on the expectations that they had going into last season

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Any GM in that situation would have signed Ryan Tannehill (or someone similar) in his sleep just because. I'm sure there was a directive to not invite even the slightest quarterback controversy if things went sideways at any time.

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Any GM in that situation would have signed Ryan Tannehill (or someone similar) in his sleep just because. I'm sure there was a directive to not invite even the slightest quarterback controversy if things went sideways at any time.


Wasn't Brett Rypien going to be the veteran backup until they decided that Bagent was too valuable to move to the practice squad ( :lol: :lol: )?

It seems to me that Poles gambled with the development of his #1 overall pick because he was enamored with a pedestrian (at best) UDFA.

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And as it turned out Caleb Williams was so terrible on the field and so noxious towards his teammates that there was still a mild (by Chicago standards) quarterback controversy. Even with a roster specifically engineered to not have any reasonable alternative to him his teammates were still calling for the backup.


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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.


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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.

I said they should keep Fields unless they got a really high draft pick and throw him out there week 1 unless Williams dominated him in training camp.

Then it turns out the Steelers got a higher compensation draft pick than they gave up.

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Nardi wrote:
"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.


It was a topic of discussion on many of the Bears podcasts, though not a top issue since there were so many other problems with the team.

But your overall argument is strange since it was Poles' responsibility to establish a fruitful approach to developing his top pick, and he clearly failed at that. What posters here or elsewhere said at the time hardly matters.

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Brick wrote:
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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.

I said they should keep Fields unless they got a really high draft pick and throw him out there week 1 unless Williams dominated him in training camp.

Then it turns out the Steelers got a higher compensation draft pick than they gave up.


...because Poles prioritized Fields' interests over those of the Bears--yet another indicator of his incompetence.

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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.

I said they should keep Fields unless they got a really high draft pick and throw him out there week 1 unless Williams dominated him in training camp.

Then it turns out the Steelers got a higher compensation draft pick than they gave up.


...because Poles prioritized Fields' interests over those of the Bears--yet another indicator of his incompetence.

That still fucking amazes me, hell the Packers didn’t do that for 2 Hall of Famers

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It was a topic of discussion on many of the Bears podcasts, though not a top issue since there were so many other problems with the team.

But your overall argument is strange since it was Poles' responsibility to establish a fruitful approach to developing his top pick, and he clearly failed at that. What posters here or elsewhere said at the time hardly matters.

The biggest mistake in Poles evaluation (or lack of evaluation) in Williams appears to have been whether he should have been the No. 1 overall pick in the first place. Or even a First Round pick at all. While i will admit that you have to give this a little more time, you have to admit that the early returns on this are daunting. Its obvious that Poles and company completely capitulated to this kid and his father believing that they were drafting "The Next Patrick Mahomes". And because of that initial mistake in evaluation, they are now stuck with this mess in the hopes that he is or close to it whatever that is. Even if he maxes out as a 12-15 QB it is still a bad pick based upon what their expectations of him were initially. They thought (and have treated him as if) they were drafting a top 5 QB and there is nothing that he has demonstrated from last season which says that.

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Poles' draft record thus far has been mediocre at best. Will any of his picks ever make a Pro Bowl?

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