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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.

I said they should keep Fields unless they got a really high draft pick and throw him out there week 1 unless Williams dominated him in training camp.

Then it turns out the Steelers got a higher compensation draft pick than they gave up.


...because Poles prioritized Fields' interests over those of the Bears--yet another indicator of his incompetence.

That still fucking amazes me, hell the Packers didn’t do that for 2 Hall of Famers


It's seems so utterly incompetent that it couldn't be true, but I think he said it himself.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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"OMG! We gotta get a veteran backup for Caleb! It's essential." said no one last year.

Everybody thought he was the 2nd coming of Stroud. Teaching Caleb to be a professional didn't cross hardly any minds. If it did, let's see the post so I can pat you on the back.

I said they should keep Fields unless they got a really high draft pick and throw him out there week 1 unless Williams dominated him in training camp.

Then it turns out the Steelers got a higher compensation draft pick than they gave up.


...because Poles prioritized Fields' interests over those of the Bears--yet another indicator of his incompetence.

That still fucking amazes me, hell the Packers didn’t do that for 2 Hall of Famers


Nah Nah Hawger. I was repeatedly instructed by Football Gurus such as yourself that this was all that Poles could get for him was A 6th Round Pick Because That Was His Market Value Don't Crap.Me!

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I and MANY others were wrong about Caleb being ready to play on Day 1. It was clear after the first couple of games that he needed, at minimum, the Drake Maye Plan. The kid needed to sit and learn. Coaches spent too much time trying to appease him. I don’t think he actually wanted that.

Ryan Tannehill wanted to start. The Bears weren't going to bring in a guy like that. They surrounded Caleb with Brady's backup as a coach and other guys whose sole purpose was catering to him. He's primarily responsible for not preparing like a professional. Veteran players, Thomas Brown, and Ryan Poles talked about the need for Caleb to do the right work to prepare as a pro. During one of his press conferences, Thomas Brown volunteered that he talked to Caleb about the people around him. What I picked up is Caleb plays video games when he isn't in the building. That ain't coaching. Being a pro is a Caleb thing.

Even with his immaturity and rookie struggles, it's clear to me Caleb is a starting quarterback and competes with the game on the line. Fields is still getting "sacked" 8 times in OTAs and only completing short passes in year 5 of his career. My guy (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky couldn't hold off Kenny Pickett. The generational question is what Caleb needs to answer. Being starting caliber isn't good enough. I don't think Ben Johnson will give him a lot of rope if he doesn't grow up fast.

Ryan Poles has drafted a lot of guys who have a "NFL player" floor. That's fine, but you need stars in that mix. The star players have been elusive thus far. There are a handful of guys who have the potential, but pro bowls aren't usually given to a bunch of players on 5 or 7 win teams.

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For all of the Justin Fields "isn't this" and Fields isn't that which goes on here, he does have a 9-5 record in his last 14 starts and a much better franchise and playoff team wanted him to be their starter this year.
And if Caleb were not a #1 overall last year and the Bears weren't a team with no viable backup last year he'd have been benched last season. And it should be noted that Bears players wanted this very thing just last year. QBs were benched that actually performed better than he did last season. Including Fields.

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People wanted Bagent to remain the starter in Justin's last year in Chicago too. Bagent was a rookie at the time. Maybe we should give him a shot. After all, he's the only Bears starter since (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that's started multiple games and don't have a losing record.

Justin hasn't been responsible for many wins in his career, it's been his defense. Eberflus had a top 3 to 5 defense over a calendar year until Brisker and Billings got hurt and he lost the team. The Steelers had a great defense until they lost steam.

Nagy was fired even though he had a winning record because the team was competitive because of a good to great defense and his offenses were mostly bad. Winning Quarterback (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was escorted out because he couldn't read a zone coverage to save his life. Even though he put up decent numbers with shit talent around him. No onr credits Caleb for the win against the Titans, even though it goes in the winning column for him.

Fields and Bagent may have led the Bears to the playoffs last year. It doesn't mean either have brighter futures than Caleb, but both could do the quarterback basics far better than Caleb could when the season started. Maybe Eberflus doesn't lose the team if he let Caleb sit and learn.

Fields is in the best offensive situation of his career. Early returns have him still being indecisive throwing the ball and checking down every pass. If he doesn't turn his physical traits into success this year, it's all on him. He'll be competing with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for a backup job. Maybe he should do fewer videos with Funny Marco and focus on saving his career.

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a much better franchise and playoff team wanted him to be their starter this year.
Fields is on the Jets this year. If there is one franchise that has been worse than the Bears over the last 10-15 years (and there might only be one), the Jets would be that team.

The Jets (and Fields' previous team) are also out of town football, and its NBA playoff season. Or so I hear.



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Poles' draft record thus far has been mediocre at best. Will any of his picks ever make a Pro Bowl?
He's found some guys on defense. He's found dick on offense and the guys he thought he found so far he reached for. Poles is trash until we are proven otherwise.

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Poles’ draft record is historically bad. Maybe the worst two-year run ever.
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Poles’ draft record is historically bad. Maybe the worst two-year run ever.


Phil Emery was way worse.

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Add Nate Tice to the list of football "experts" who remains bullish on Williams. He rhapsodizes about Williams' processing ability and other attributes in the latest edition of Football 301: https://open.spotify.com/episode/06GWRRAomvrD4dNRJibG0q.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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a much better franchise and playoff team wanted him to be their starter this year.
Fields is on the Jets this year. If there is one franchise that has been worse than the Bears over the last 10-15 years (and there might only be one), the Jets would be that team.

The Jets (and Fields' previous team) are also out of town football, and its NBA playoff season. Or so I hear.



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Poles' draft record thus far has been mediocre at best. Will any of his picks ever make a Pro Bowl?
He's found some guys on defense. He's found dick on offense and the guys he thought he found so far he reached for. Poles is trash until we are proven otherwise.


Oh man was this rather "informative". Thanks "Simple"

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People wanted Bagent to remain the starter in Justin's last year in Chicago too. Bagent was a rookie at the time. Maybe we should give him a shot. After all, he's the only Bears starter since (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that's started multiple games and don't have a losing record.

Justin hasn't been responsible for many wins in his career, it's been his defense. Eberflus had a top 3 to 5 defense over a calendar year until Brisker and Billings got hurt and he lost the team. The Steelers had a great defense until they lost steam.

Nagy was fired even though he had a winning record because the team was competitive because of a good to great defense and his offenses were mostly bad. Winning Quarterback (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was escorted out because he couldn't read a zone coverage to save his life. Even though he put up decent numbers with shit talent around him. No onr credits Caleb for the win against the Titans, even though it goes in the winning column for him.

Fields and Bagent may have led the Bears to the playoffs last year. It doesn't mean either have brighter futures than Caleb, but both could do the quarterback basics far better than Caleb could when the season started. Maybe Eberflus doesn't lose the team if he let Caleb sit and learn.

Fields is in the best offensive situation of his career. Early returns have him still being indecisive throwing the ball and checking down every pass. If he doesn't turn his physical traits into success this year, it's all on him. He'll be competing with (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for a backup job. Maybe he should do fewer videos with Funny Marco and focus on saving his career.


I'm not talking CFMB Gurus. I'm talking Bears players. I don't recall any who beat the drums for Bagent. If they did who were they?

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People wanted Bagent to remain the starter in Justin's last year in Chicago too. Bagent was a rookie at the time. Maybe we should give him a shot. After all, he's the only Bears starter since (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that's started multiple games and don't have a losing record.

Justin hasn't been responsible for many wins in his career, it's been his defense. Eberflus had a top 3 to 5 defense over a calendar year until Brisker and Billings got hurt and he lost the team. The Steelers had a great defense until they lost steam.

Nagy was fired even though he had a winning record because the team was competitive because of a good to great defense and his offenses were mostly bad. Winning Quarterback (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was escorted out because he couldn't read a zone coverage to save his life. Even though he put up decent numbers with shit talent around him. No onr credits Caleb for the win against the Titans, even though it goes in the winning column for him.

Fields and Bagent may have led the Bears to the playoffs last year. It doesn't mean either have brighter futures than Caleb, but both could do the quarterback basics far better than Caleb could when the season started. Maybe Eberflus doesn't lose the team if he let Caleb sit and learn.

Fields is in the best offensive situation of his career. Early returns have him still being indecisive throwing the ball and checking down every pass. If he doesn't turn his physical traits into success this year, it's all on him. He'll be competing with (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for a backup job. Maybe he should do fewer videos with Funny Marco and focus on saving his career.


I'm not talking CFMB Gurus. I'm talking Bears players. I don't recall any who beat the drums for Bagent. If they did who were they?

Kmet, the offensive coaches, and probably the offensive line. He's not the most physically gifted guy, but he ran the offense and didn't take sacks. That's not something Fields or Caleb have proven they can do.

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People wanted Bagent to remain the starter in Justin's last year in Chicago too. Bagent was a rookie at the time. Maybe we should give him a shot. After all, he's the only Bears starter since (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that's started multiple games and don't have a losing record.

Justin hasn't been responsible for many wins in his career, it's been his defense. Eberflus had a top 3 to 5 defense over a calendar year until Brisker and Billings got hurt and he lost the team. The Steelers had a great defense until they lost steam.

Nagy was fired even though he had a winning record because the team was competitive because of a good to great defense and his offenses were mostly bad. Winning Quarterback (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was escorted out because he couldn't read a zone coverage to save his life. Even though he put up decent numbers with shit talent around him. No onr credits Caleb for the win against the Titans, even though it goes in the winning column for him.

Fields and Bagent may have led the Bears to the playoffs last year. It doesn't mean either have brighter futures than Caleb, but both could do the quarterback basics far better than Caleb could when the season started. Maybe Eberflus doesn't lose the team if he let Caleb sit and learn.

Fields is in the best offensive situation of his career. Early returns have him still being indecisive throwing the ball and checking down every pass. If he doesn't turn his physical traits into success this year, it's all on him. He'll be competing with (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for a backup job. Maybe he should do fewer videos with Funny Marco and focus on saving his career.


I'm not talking CFMB Gurus. I'm talking Bears players. I don't recall any who beat the drums for Bagent. If they did who were they?

Kmet, the offensive coaches, and probably the offensive line. He's not the most physically gifted guy, but he ran the offense and didn't take sacks. That's not something Fields or Caleb have proven they can do.

I also recall KMet being one of the people who vouched for Fields prior to the trade.

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Poles’ draft record is historically bad. Maybe the worst two-year run ever.

Stop with this exaggeration. He has not been good, but he is not in the worst ever category

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Poles (for better or worse) will ultimately be judged by how Caleb Williams turns out.

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Poles (for better or worse) will ultimately be judged by how Caleb Williams turns out.

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Poles (for better or worse) will ultimately be judged by how Caleb Williams turns out.

Doctor McCarver!


You're the same guy who repeatedly argued that it didn't matter all that much how he turned out last season around this time. WYC?

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Poles (for better or worse) will ultimately be judged by how Caleb Williams turns out.

Doctor McCarver!


You're the same guy who repeatedly argued that it didn't matter all that much how he turned out last season around this time. WYC?

They don't call him Doctor McCarver for nothing!

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Brick wrote:
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Poles (for better or worse) will ultimately be judged by how Caleb Williams turns out.

Doctor McCarver!


You're the same guy who repeatedly argued that it didn't matter all that much how he turned out last season around this time. WYC?

They don't call him Doctor McCarver for nothing!


They don't call him Brick this board's worst troll for nothing!

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Ben Johnson is the new center of the offense. Caleb, while important, isn't as much a pillar of the next bears super bowl as he was before Johnson

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Ben Johnson is the new center of the offense. Caleb, while important, isn't as much a pillar of the next bears super bowl as he was before Johnson

Ben Johnson will be fired well before they ever cut bait with Caleb. Book it!

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Ben Johnson is the new center of the offense. Caleb, while important, isn't as much a pillar of the next bears super bowl as he was before Johnson

Ben Johnson will be fired well before they ever cut bait with Caleb. Book it!


Why do you say that?

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Ben Johnson is the new center of the offense. Caleb, while important, isn't as much a pillar of the next bears super bowl as he was before Johnson

Ben Johnson will be fired well before they ever cut bait with Caleb. Book it!


Some of your posts actually do make sense. This, however, is not one of them.

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Is everything ok with LTG? He is saying Caleb will be better than someone!

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Ben Johnson is the new center of the offense. Caleb, while important, isn't as much a pillar of the next bears super bowl as he was before Johnson


This seems true, and it also appears as though Poles has been reined in as well. It is unclear to me whether or not Warren wants Poles gone.

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On "Get Up" this morning, Wilbon said that it was Warren, not Poles, who convinced Caleb's dad that the Bears would be a good spot for Caleb. Wilbon claims to know the Williams family very well.

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On "Get Up" this morning, Wilbon said that it was Warren, not Poles, who convinced Caleb's dad that the Bears would be a good spot for Caleb. Wilbon claims to know the Williams family very well.


It wouldn't be surprising, with the DC connection and I think Wilbon sent his kid to Gonzaga Prep.

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On "Get Up" this morning, Wilbon said that it was Warren, not Poles, who convinced Caleb's dad that the Bears would be a good spot for Caleb. Wilbon claims to know the Williams family very well.


It wouldn't be surprising, with the DC connection and I think Wilbon sent his kid to Gonzaga Prep.


Yeah, Wilbon mentioned the Gonzaga connection. It seemed odd, though, since Wilbon's kid is 6 or 7 years younger than Caleb.

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Is everything ok with LTG? He is saying Caleb will be better than someone!


Nah. The Bears think that he is good enough to get another coach (along with the current GM) fired.

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