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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:30 am 
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i have no idea what to believe anymore

I don't think there's anything positive about this offer from last night. Most reports say it is almost identical to the previous offer that the players rejected. I guess the only positive sign is that the Union is willing to present it to all the player reps. But if the player reps rejected the last offer, why would they be willing to accept this offer? I think we're going to see a decertification movement officially started on Monday, and then the season will be all but lost.

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At least there was some good news from yesterday:

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Shawn Bradley's custom bike found

MURRAY, Utah -- At 7-foot-6, former NBA center Shawn Bradley needs just about everything custom-made, from clothes and chairs to countertops and doorways.

It's why he was bummed when his custom-build Trek road bicycle, complete with an 80 centimeter carbon fiber-aluminum frame, was stolen last Friday.

"There's no way they could have ridden it away," Bradley said Thursday morning. "It's kind of baffling. I think it will turn up."

He was right.

A random search of a residence by state probation and parole officials turned up the bike Thursday afternoon in the town of Murray, where Bradley has a home, police said. Joshua Carter, 34, was arrested on suspicion of possession of stolen property and felony theft, Murray police Sgt. Brian Wright said.

Bradley, who has been riding the bicycle since packing on the pounds after his retirement following 13 NBA seasons, was thrilled at the news.

Authorities wouldn't reveal a motive for the theft, but Bradley speculated that anybody who took it simply was looking for something they could pawn for quick cash.

They certainly weren't going to ride it -- as it is about 50 percent larger than what a normal-sized person would ride. Trek never even included a serial number when it built the bike in 2005 because it is so unique.

"I'm guessing he just walked it away," Wright said of the suspect, who stands just 6-foot.

Bradley's home on 3 acres is protected by an electronic gate, and backs up to Little Cottonwood Creek.

Bradley found it strange that only the bicycle, black with a "76" painted on the frame to denote Bradley's height, was taken Friday morning from a barn next to the gated home. Seven other bicycles used by his six children and wife weren't touched, nor were his boat, tools or even a $200 pair of Oakley sunglasses stuffed into his bicycle helmet.

"It's a stolen bike, not the end of the world," Bradley said before knowing it had been recovered. "It's just kind of a weird story. It's not like I can go down to the bike shop and buy a new bike. It'd be the same if my clothes were stolen."

Inside his home, countertops and doorways are raised and an oversized animal-print chair sits behind his large desk. With a 44-inch inseam, even his pants must be custom-made.

Bradley took up cycling because he needed to get healthy again. He had taken time off following his NBA career to let his body recover, but also packed on the pounds, ballooning from his playing weight of 275 pounds to 335.

"I just wasn't feeling good," Bradley said.

Bicycling the roads and canyons of Utah was the solution.

He's shed about 30 pounds of fat after making bicycling part of a daily routine. He's logged several thousand miles, including many "century rides" -- rides of 100 miles or more. Bradley also rode from Logan, Utah, to Jackson Hole, Wyo., last year.

"It's changed my body (composition) and when I ride the bike in the morning, I want to eat healthy the rest of the day. It's a mental game I play with myself," he said.

The 39-year-old is president of the board of directors at West Ridge Academy, a youth residential treatment center in Utah. In 2010, he ran for a seat in the Utah House of Representatives but lost. He's contemplating another run for public office.

Now he doesn't have to worry about finding a replacement bicycle, valued at between $6,000 and $10,000.

"I'm not a racer, but I love to ride," he said on a sun-splashed fall day. "A day like today would have been perfect."

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Bagels wrote:
i have no idea what to believe anymore

I don't think there's anything positive about this offer from last night. Most reports say it is almost identical to the previous offer that the players rejected. I guess the only positive sign is that the Union is willing to present it to all the player reps. But if the player reps rejected the last offer, why would they be willing to accept this offer? I think we're going to see a decertification movement officially started on Monday, and then the season will be all but lost.


Based on the current situation and having heard the historical postioning of both owners and players in strike/lockout situations dating back to the '82 NFL strike, I guarantee that a settlement will be announced next week.


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This could be done next week, but if it's not, the players will take the blame, since they said the season would start December 15 if agreed.

Watching on ESPN, if the deal is rejected and they decirtify, this season would probably be over and then there's a good chance it would affect the next season also.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:47 am 
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Done as in not happening, or done as in set to move forward?


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Uh oh. I just got this text from an NBPA source: "No deal. Total BS. The deal got worse. No season."

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Season is done

I agree. Unless the middle and lower class players of the NBA really step forward and stand up to the Union reps and hardliners (like Pierce, Garnett, and big name agents), there's just no way a deal is approved. I don't see that happening though.

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Season is done

I agree. Unless the middle and lower class players of the NBA really step forward and stand up to the Union reps and hardliners (like Pierce, Garnett, and big name agents), there's just no way a deal is approved. I don't see that happening though.

This whole lockout is bumming me the fuck out

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Season is done

I agree. Unless the middle and lower class players of the NBA really step forward and stand up to the Union reps and hardliners (like Pierce, Garnett, and big name agents), there's just no way a deal is approved. I don't see that happening though.

Like KS already stated, when they stop getting paychecks is when the deal will get done.

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 Post subject: Re: Lockout News
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Season is done

I agree. Unless the middle and lower class players of the NBA really step forward and stand up to the Union reps and hardliners (like Pierce, Garnett, and big name agents), there's just no way a deal is approved. I don't see that happening though.

Like KS already stated, when they stop getting paychecks is when the deal will get done.

I think the offer isn't going to get better, and you're right, the players ultimately will cave. But I also think they're being fed some bad information from agents and guys like Kessler that they need to continue fighting and decertify. These people are telling them if they hold out and keep fighting, the owners will cave. That simply isn't going to happen. Almost all legal experts think that decertifying the union and finding legal remedies won't work. Guys like Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett can afford for this to drag out even longer, other scrubs probably can't. It's all going to come down to who has the loudest voice in the room. They should take this deal right here, but everything tells me that they won't.

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Do you think it helps, hurts, or doesn't matter, that the players have until early next week to make their decision, I think it could help make a deal, because like it was put before, the players that don't make much money, could put the pressure on their players association to accept the deal.


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Why people continue to listen to Kessler is beyond me.

The guy never has the interests of his clients in mind.

Just a blowhard.

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Guys. A decent number of the owners finished in the red last year. To frame this argument like the players are just dumb and greedy is kinda lame to me. Not everyone is gilbert arenas... Fight the man. Get a better deal. Im all for it... Fuck the owners and their mob ties, and david stern too.

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Hell yeah. Sue those pompous, bloated, wealthy overlords. Fuck em for framing this story as "the players need the money more than us."

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Great work KS. For real.

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If the union did decertify, Stern predicted the move would backfire.

"If the union is not in existence, then neither are 4 billion dollars worth of guaranteed contracts that are entered into under condition that there's a union, Stern said. "So if the agents insist on playing with fire, my guess is that they would get themselves burned."


There you go. The NBA lawyers had the foresight to put in some boilerplate that all player contracts are null and void if there's not a union. Masterstroke. As Les Grobstein would say, "so much for that."

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Great work KS. For real.

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Meh. Carrie could do better.
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Just kidding... I thought we were getting the crew back together KS?... Do you claim Carrie?

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If I read the tweets right, almost sounds like they would accept the deal or some players don't trust their own player's group and who knows what could happen there.


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You got that right about who trying to beleive, I keep hearing that they will reject it.

With the quote by Danny Granger, that this deal will be rejected.


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My guess is all of the hard liners have deferred money in their contracts and are getting paid during this lockout. I think the players are getting fucked to a point but at the same time, I don't think the cureent deal is an awful one.

Players might vote for deal, season, if given vote, which they won’t be

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ESPN’s Shaun Powell reports on Twitter:

Source told me if full membership votes on the owner’s deal, NBA would open for business by Wednesday.Sat Nov 12 17:11:26 via webShaun Powell
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This is much akin to “Unicorns may cure cancer, if they exist.” The primary problem is that unicorns don’t exist. Similarly, the rank-and-file NBA players that would vote for such a deal don’t have a voice. Those that don’t want to accept any concessions have a voice, that of the agents and the players those agents rep. Those that don’t want this deal but want to keep talking have a voice, the NBPA leadership. But there isn’t anyone to speak up for those players, no powerful voice, no strong element of leadership to say “Look, before we go all half-cocked and start chasing a victory on the wings of the decertification hippogriff, maybe we should vote on the measure to see how close we really are to it.” That player would look weak, would look like a scab, would look to be sniffing at the owners’ boots, despite the fact no one on the players’ side wants this deal, it benefits no one, and a vote simply gauges where they’re at.

So instead, we’ll just have rabble rousing and decertification and a hefty “unified” no on Monday, an opt for the courts and the loss of the 2011-2012 season. Unless someone powerful steps up to say this deal needs to get done it won’t be. The silent majority has no power if it remains silent.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:45 pm 
Booo Yahs have a story up that Stern is now blaming this on "greedy agents". Uhh David. You guys have locked the players out. In order to make more money. So in essence you could blame this whole thing on "greedy owners". Who you crappin.


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Today seems to be the big decision day. I hope it's good news that i'll be hearing later today. If the players decide to take a vote on this offer, I think it will pass, but I'm not too confident the players association will ever let this offer get to a vote.

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Today seems to be the big decision day. I hope it's good news that i'll be hearing later today. If the players decide to take a vote on this offer, I think it will pass, but I'm not too confident the players association will ever let this offer get to a vote.


i don't have a very good feeling about it


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Orlando Magic will accept deal

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I highly doubt Chris Duhon was up this early. That has to be an imposter.

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