If you say that you don't want someone traded then you "think" they are untradeable. Also I asked whom he would trade for Butler and he didn't answer. If I inferred that he believed that Butler was untradeable then maybe that was why.

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This becomes funnier every time you post it.

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Your only angle has been to diss me or Hoiberg. You are wrong on both counts. You couldn't even answer a relevant question about guys you would trade for Butler and yet you wonder why I came up with untradeable. This is a joke at this point.

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Quite noteworthy that you ignored the portion about the manufacturing of information provided by Vegan. You're right you really are a credible poster aren't you.

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No. That is not the case.

Someone may not want a person traded because they like that player, and yet that has absolutely nothing to do with how tradeable a player is or isn't.

Every fan in the city of Chicago would not have wanted MJ traded. But clearly he was tradeable. There would have been a HUGE market available to him.

This is just silly.

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Why exhaust all your powers of deduction and inference when you can simply reread what I said here:





Yeah I didn't mean to take shots at you at first but you make it easy with by always believing you're right. Yeah I diss Hoiberg - he sucks and I stand by that. I don't know who I would trade for Butler because I don't give a shit at this point. I'ts not like the Bulls are going anywhere whether he stays or go, and he's not bringing a superstar back in a trade for him anyway.

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Not gonna defend every poster on the board. Vegan can speak for himself. I only speak up when you misrepresent my posts. If vegan did that to my posts, I would speak up as well.

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Yout are hypocrite since you have been defending all day. When it is indefensible you defer. You called him credible and for the most part I think he is. It has sort of turned into a bash session and I'm not going to roll with it. I don't mind calling people on B.S. that's what I'm doing here. It became about me long before I decided to really respond. I will always do that when I think the board's version of the bully pulpit is at work.

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Stop being so self centered. The only reason it's even slightly about you is because you repeatedly say things like the following:

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Fwiw, I don't agree with LTG on a lot of things, but I just don't believe he is trolling. Like BRick and JORR, they are Bulldogs that don't concede.

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FTFY.

And agree.

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Excellent thread.

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And you wonder why i'd ever think that people consider Butler a franchise player. I wonder why i'd ever refute the notion. Man that was really out of bounds for me to suggest that.

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He is currently the Bulls' franchise player. Whether you think he is talented enough to be in a conversation of Top 10 players in the league...he is currently the player Bulls fans pay to see at the moment. That has value to the franchise. I'm not sure Oladipo and Vucevic have either the talent or the star power to overcome Butler's talent and star power.

I don't even think we've seen the best of Jimmy Butler yet. I guarantee you he isn't happy with this 3P shot yet...and his work ethic won't allow him to remain at 33% 3P shooter.

Is he untradeable? Absolutely not. Should the Bulls be looking to deal him? Absolutely not.

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He is the Bulls franchise player in the way that Damian Lillard or LaMarcus Aldridge were/are Portland's franchise player. Maybe not as good as those two but close enough.

Simply being a team's best player does not make you a franchise player. Chris Bosh was Toronto's franchise player if that was the case but that doesn't mean he was a franchise player.

If someone suggest's that it needs to be a potential franchise player in order for Butler to be traded then that makes Butler untradeable.

I will provide 2 examples of guys that fit the bill 1. Towns. 2. Porzingus. Neither will ever be traded straight up for Butler.

Minnesota won't even trade Wiggins straight up for Butler. Towns will probably end up being better than Wiggins and they won't trade Wiggins for him.

In the case of Oladipo he was coming off the bench earlier this yr. Probably still is. Vukevic is probably the 8th best center in the league. I had him a little higher yesterday but I haven't crunched the numbers but if I did he would be about 8th. They declined the trade. That speaks volumes about his value around the league. Bench guy and a center that is not a top tier guy and they say no.

Butler may get better but he will be 28 yrs old. Also his physical style of play tends to lead to injuries. He missed 3-4 weeks last yr and he is missing 3-4 weeks so far this yr. He may shoot a higher percentage from 3 which is an improvement, but he is already showing slippage as a defender. He has been torched during a number of games this season.

The slippage in defense may be attributable to assuming a larger role in the offense. It's hard to consistently play both sides of the floor. He also logs a lot of minutes, something which may be affecting his ability to play D.

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Quick Hits

1. Butler > Lillard
2. Chris Bosh was a franchise player.
3. lol, what?
4. Very few deals, if any, are "straight up" one for one swaps. So...you're not going out on a limb.
5. That would be an impossible trade due to NBA rules regarding trades.
6. Vucevic is speculated in the trade, and the entire proposal is speculation. No big names have confirmed there were trade talks. One small blog says there is, another small blog says there was not. Where are the big NBA reporters? Absent...and that speaks volumes. If the trade proposal was real, you're forgetting (on purpose) to mention the pick.
7. That's just like, your opinion, man.
8. You seem to be attempting to disparage his defense. This is a new angle. And again, and angle unique to you. As usual.

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8. When you read the Bulls blog you will find that there are a number of people that have questioned his defense. This is not the only game in town.

Bosh was not a franchise player in Toronto. He was an all star and their best player. I really don't think you have a grasp on franchise player and what it truly means. Once again a semantics debate I'm not going to engage in. It's trivial.

It's not about salaries it's about ability. Minnesota nor New York are going to trade Towns or Porzingus for Butler. It has nothing to do with salary because if the salaries match they still would not make the move. Those are the best two examples I could provide for "potential franchise" guys. To play the salary game is a weak argument even by your rather paltry standards.

Butler may be better than Lillard. I'm not a Lillard fan but he like Butler is not a true franchise player.

Also the discrediting of the source angle is weak also.

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No one is trading for a guy with a "sprained knee".

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1. There are bastions where idiot sports fans are safe to speak their minds. I don't frequent those places.

2. Bosh was a franchise player. Maybe you're the one that doesn't have a grasp on the definition.

3. Connected to my second point, you're anointing Porzingis (you must not think he is that great if you continuously spell his name incorrectly) as a franchise or potential franchise player seriously discredits Carmelo Anthony. So which is it? Is Carmelo the guy or Porzingis? "Playing the salary game?" The only one playing games is you, because you're stating "Player A won't be traded for Player B" when that trade is impossible given league rules. No shit you're going to be right. I bet Kristaps Porzingis will never be traded straight up for Stephen Curry.

4. Discrediting the source? That would mean the 'reporter' ever had credit to begin with. Community Sports Report is a one hour, once a week show on a college radio station. Are you serious? Link me to a Marc Stein or Woj article. If they put their name on it, I'll have some faith.

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Potential franchise player is a term coined by Favre Fan not me but apparently you have no idea of what it means. Hint: "potential" pertains to something that may occur in the future. Reading comp. Is not much of a strong suit apparently.

Also Butler's defensive rating actually slipped last year. How could something like that have occurred under the watchful eye of defensive whiz Thibs? Say it ain't so Imu.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... _czNKoJZvQ


It sure looks like I'm the only one reporting the slippage doesn't it? Also look at where he ranks in terms of iso plays. Might as well get a 2 for 1 while you are checking out the article. Really does seem to support of my rather crackpot theories doesn't it. Your requisite spin job will be forthcoming I suspect. This article will also be discredited too I'm sure.

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Sometimes I feel like I'm listening to my brother talk when I read LTG posts. In fact when the Melo stuff started last year I called my brother and asked if knew about this place and was posting.

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Don't fall for the bait Conns. Not about me on this one. I'm discrediting yet another one of the commonly held assertions. When I mentioned that the guys defense was slipping, Imu jumped in with the I'm the only guy reporting it position, which frankly is becoming customary for he and others. All I did was provide support.

Let your brother know that he has a vast knowledge about the game also.

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The idea that the Bulls wanna move Butler is confirmed now and so the Bulls have f'd themselves. No one's going to give them the value they could've rec'd had they been more discrete about floating Butler. You ask the other team if they want someone like Dougie McBuckets. And after the other team's GM stops lol'ing, he might say something like "only if you throw in Jimmy Butler"; and then you ask "hypothetically, what would you give me back for Dougie McEuroBuckets with Butler as a throw in?"

Why do you think they want to move him?

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why does Fred want him gone?

There is absolutely no way this trade could happen because of salaries. There is no chance it was proposed for that reason. I've been hard on GarPax this year but I am confident that they understand the cap rules.

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Wasn't Frye and draft picks included in this trade?

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