A lot of people have open minds. All of those things you mention are institutional racism and institutional racism exists. Some of us believe there exists something beyond institutional racism.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not trying to label you to be racist but if you had seen it would it have been viewed simply as Asshole Steve behaving like an asshole or would there have been genuine outrage? Ignoring it is just as big of a problem as engaging in it.

That is why I harped on Trump voters the way that I did. Even if the majority weren't racists they voted for one which meant that his racism didn't bother them. If there were an openly antisemitic person running I'd never vote for them. That is the difference.

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You can't even address institutional racism without deviating which means that you really haven't addressed it.

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It seemed to me they were doing it more to be famous or at least gain recognition within their peer group. Why else were they live streaming it?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

But now he is not. Is he still racist even though he holds no power?

They took a guy's freedom away. If me and 3 friends take a black guy off the street and do that we'd rightfully be called racists.



I don't know if they think they are superior per se but they hate white people based on them being white and had no trouble doing what they did.

Nope, not going to engage in the "prove you're not a racist" gameshow. Keep that shit on your Tumblr page.



No, it isn't.



No, it doesn't mean that. It means it didn't bother them enough to not vote or vote for someone else, a completely arbitrary standard set by you as you continually vacillate between calling individuals racist but wanting to define racism as only sweeping policies that discriminate based on race.



Is anti-semetism individualized or only global?

I don't see color.

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Then move?

In this particular case only one question needs to be asked and answered really. Would this people have done this and while doing so shouted fuck Trump/white people if this kid was white? And reverse if reverse.

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Elections have consequences.

They have color blind options on battlefield and call of duty now

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Are you a dog?

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In MW3, the color blind option would let you see the direction of enemy stealth bombers.

I have no idea what that means.

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Are stealth bombers racist? I mean on one hand they are black, but on the other they are governed by institutional racism. Then again they are invisible to the radar demographic. Are they racist on a macro level but not micro?

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Well, racism can only occur on the macro level, but the pilots are government employees.

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So to sum up, minorities can't be racist, ever.

And even when the majority becomes the minority, they're still racist.

AND, simply because I'm part of the current majority (not based on my actions, beliefs, or words), I'm racist.

That's what I'm getting from this...

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Well there is reality and then there's a place where you and Spaulding are. Where did you see these things posted?

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Re-read this thread. It's all in here.

I just want to see if I'm understanding what's being said.

Let me know what I've misinterpreted.

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You got it nailed in an incredibly concise manner. You are like Cliffs Notes.

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Just about everything. Only 2 people who posted in this thread believe the first statement you made. That means that the majority disagrees.

That leaves us with the following statements that are completely made up.

And even when the majority becomes the minority, they're still racist.

AND, simply because I'm part of the current majority (not based on my actions, beliefs, or words), I'm racist.

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Well, I'm addressing the "2 people," not the majority.

"Completely made up?" Really?

#1. Refer to all the posts regarding South Africa.

#2.

Simple logic. I'm white so I'm racist.

Look, I'm not trying to de-value anyone's personal beliefs or the experiences that shaped them. I just absolutely detest it when people speak in generalities that wind up labeling people something that they're not. Perhaps it's simple semantics in this thread, but blanket labeling an entire race does nothing to perpetuate change.

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I think Killer V already made the right distinction. that "racism" is just a word defined as a thought, a philosophy. institutionalized racism is the subjugation of another race. it is putting racism into practice. that's what happened with apartheid. it was a little cluster of dutch people who wanted to control everything, and because they had they power, they took it. the power came from colonization, which was white rule.

anyone can be racist as a philosophy. only those with power (in this case, whites) can institutionalize racism and--as ltg put it--*deny* another race certain rights.

I'm not sure if I'm one of the two people you're referencing in your first sentence, but I've certainly never said minorities can't be racist. Obviously, South Africa is a clear example of a racist minority.

What I've said is that there is no way from a black person to be a racist in American society. Can a black person hate whites? Certainly. Can a black person attack a white person for no other reason that his skin color? Of course. But those things are not racism nor are they based on racism.

I've given you an example of how a black person can be racist within the confines of a society within a society, i.e. the National Basketball Association where one of the greatest players that ever dribbled a ball, Dirk Nowitzki, can be regarded as "soft" because of nothing other than his skin color. There is definitely a belief in black superiority in the NBA, and it is embraced even by many white players and executives, and indeed, fans.

The changes in definition of words like "racism" to simply mean "bigotry" and "minority" to mean "person who isn't white" or the even more obnoxious "person of color" are clearly political, thus I prefer to stick with the standard definitions.

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I don't really think we need to make the language more complicated than necessary. I don't think we need to modify racism with "institutionalized", it already carries such a connotation. Nobody has yet articulated how a black person in American could actually get to the philosophical perspective that blacks are a superior race, except within specific confines such as my above example of the NBA.

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i'm not trying to modify it. racism, as it's defined, is a belief. institutionalizing it is what happened here, south africa, among other places in the world.

i'm not trying to come up with a new phrase. i'm just going back to what KV pointed out.

I understand. But that's the whole point. There has never been an American belief that blacks were a superior race, thus it would be impossible for such belief to be institutionalized in America.

I think the real issue here is not what words we use, but the way in which we're using them. If the goal in stating that blacks cannot be racist in America is to absolve blacks of bad behavior and reinforce a culture of victimhood, I can certainly understand the pushback. It's very difficult to discuss this outside of politics.

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Exactly. There is already a word for what they are describing and that word is prejudice. I really don't care about whether a person believes that he is superior to me as much I am concerned about the systems which demonstrate that he is. I think most blacks feel the same way if I can take that liberty.

A black person that believes he is superior to a white person is demonstrating prejudice. Racism as it is constructed entails far more than that.

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You're making an unnecessary leap though. No one came close to saying all white people are racist.

Edit: JORR doesn't even believe the first statement.

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