Did you miss the news on Eloy? They literally did the opposite of what the Cubs did with Bryant. They gave him a big contract that they didn't have to.

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I never said anything about teams filing a grievance. The grievance was Boras and it was about a dumb rule. It's the rule, not the Cubs.


No, that's absolutely false. You just happened to know about this one. It happens every year with multiple teams in a very obvious way. Ask a fantasy baseball nerd. 7-8 guys come up right after the date every year going back about 20 years.

Last year
Acuna (ATL)
Torres (NYY)
Soto (Was)
McNeil (NYM)
Adames (TB)
Guzman (Tex)
Bieber (CLE)
Brewer (SD)


All of those guys were clearly good enough to make the roster out of spring training. All of them were called up after service time was no longer an issue. There are probably 15-20 more guys but those are good ones. That's one year.




The Cubs didnt screw him. The Cubs did what the stupid rule dictates, just like every other team has done for years.

This has nothing to do with players taking less to sign with the Cubs. That was never in play for a guy like Bryant who is represented by Boras.

Also, fwiw, Bryant has flat out said on multiple occasions that he holds no grudge.

@ big contract. If he's 75% of what he is supposed to be he will be massively underpaid for most of that deal.


Also, they held him down last year and it was so obvious he wrote an article for the Players Tribune titled "Im Ready"

If anyone sounds like they might hold a grudge, its THAT guy. But he wont.

I think it would be insane for the Marlins to pay Blake Snell even one dollar, since Blake Snell is on Tampa Bay.

You are acting like it is the exact same as others. I am giving you a factual difference. Once again, Boras doesn't control Bryant. Agents act on behalf of the client. If Bryant was like "It's no big deal" would Boras fire him as a client?

Once again, I understand that service time keeps players down longer than they would if it wasn't an issue.
Ok, so it's pretty clear your answer to everything is "Boras". Bryant could fire Boras today if he wanted and every other agent in baseball would be standing outside his house begging him to join. The fact that you think Boras is controlling him is laughable.

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Oops.

Have you followed the Blake Snell saga? Do you think he knows the Rays *** Not the Marlins*** made the right move in trying to pay the returning Cy Young award winner the league minimum?

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Right. How is there even a counterargument to this? It's obvious.

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Yup. Just because the rule exists doesn't mean the Cub had to act on it.

Bryant has said many times publicly that he doesn't hold the service time issue against the Cub, but there have been rumblings that privately he has been fuming since then, and that any overtures the Cub have made regarding an extension have been met with "not now, thanks" responses, which is what I would expect from anyone represented by Boras. Boras is a turd, sure, but he is not stupid. He's the most influential agent in sports, and I'm sure he has enough sway over his clients to convince them to follow his lead.

I fully expect Bryant to play out his contract and test the FA market.

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Not a mult.

That's a very naive take on the agent-client relationship but Im not saying Boras is making all the calls. Im saying guys who hire Boras are doing it because they like what he does (get the most money)


You say you do, but act like Bryant was some unique thing. It wasnt.





No, Boras is not my answer to everything but he is certainly part of the equation.


The Cubs did what every other team would have done. Bryant holding it against them would be dumb or misguided at best. Obviously none of us truly know.

Because there is a long history of teams doing this and players not holding it against them?

If everyone in the industry does it, why would you hold it against one team to go sign with another that did the same thing? Does that make sense?

He won't sign with another team that did the same thing. He'll come to the south side where they take care of their star players like Eloy.

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Right. And they dont have to pay anyone above the league minimum.


He sure is good at hiding the fuming thing.

They did do it to Eloy.

Eloy's memory wasnt erased by a team friendly contract.

Wrong. Eloy knows he had to work on his defense and he did and earned a nice fat raise. Win/win.

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Hiding it? He sat out like half of last season.

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So Bryant always wanted the most money possible, but he also isn't going to be upset with the Cubs that they made a move that cost him millions of dollars?
Sure it was. Bryant literally filed a grievance about it. I know, Boras held him at gunpoint and forced him to do it.

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It was a master stroke by KennyHahna. Theo could learn a thing or two about how to treat people from Kenny specifically.

Bryant will really show how pissed off he is when he takes less money than what the Cubs offer him and plays somewhere else !!

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Please don't let that catch on.

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This is a pretty great thing for you to keep posting when you refuse to answer the question as to whether you think other players have taken less to sign with the Cubs.

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It didnt cost him milliions of dollars. He knew it would happen, everyone knew it would happen. At most it delayed it. You really seem to not understand this stuff.


It's honestly hilarious that you think the idea of an agent controlling a player is weird. It's absolutely the norm in pro sports.

And about that grievance. It wasnt unique or even just Bryant and quotes from Boras not only indicate that he was the one filing the grievance but he pretty much absolves the Cubs and says its about the rule, not the Cubs.



The Yahoo! report also identified Philadelphia Phillies third baseman Maikel Franco as involved in the grievance process. Franco (170) and Bryant (171) finished just short of the 172 days needed for a full year of service, closing their free-agent windows until after the 2021 season.

Hoyer didn’t reveal anything about potential hearings or next steps in the process with the union, an All-Star third baseman and the game’s most powerful agent.

“It was filed in May – and to the best of my knowledge – it sits in the same place it has been,” Hoyer said. “It’s something we’ve known about for a long time. And it certainly doesn’t change our impression of the player or his representation at all.

“We’ve got a great relationship with Kris. We’ve got a great relationship with Scott.”

Setting service-time clocks for elite young players is essentially viewed as standard operating procedure within front offices and Bryant became a billboard for the issue in spring training.

Bryant – the second overall pick in the 2013 draft – began this year as Baseball America’s No. 1 prospect after hitting .325 with 43 homers and 110 RBI in 2014.



Bryant lived up to the hype after making his big-league debut on April 17, admitting he played with a chip on his shoulder while finishing with 26 homers and 99 RBI for a team that won 97 games and two postseason rounds.

“I think Kris proved his point that he didn’t need any further minor-league (experience),” Boras said during last month’s GM meetings in South Florida. “Unless you can argue the seven games of Triple-A baseball dramatically allowed him to improve, I think he proved his point that he’s an All-Star player and a huge part of a franchise.

“Our point was that in the ethic of the game, I think it’s good for Kris – and for the fans and everyone (else) – that they understand that the rules of the game often allow teams to do things that are unrelated to the best interests of the team or the true talent evaluation of the player.

“It’s perfectly appropriate under the rules for clubs to say that they can do that. I just think you (should) have (better rules) , a better ethic to it. Because in the end, we want to make sure our fans know the best players are always playing in the big leagues all the time.”

This issue looms larger with the current labor deal set to expire after the 2016 season, but Hoyer said there’s no bad blood between the Cubs and Bryant.

“He’s a consummate professional,” Hoyer said. “This guy is a baseball rat (and) you felt like he was a veteran by the time we got to September or October. He bounced back from a little slump in the middle of the season to have a great season (and) showed us a lot of maturity with that.

“Our relationship with him never wavered for a minute throughout this process. So if that was the case, that would be something we’d be concerned about. But it hasn’t. We love having him – and we’re going to have him for a long time.”

The standard end to a rpb baseball argument.
What? No it isn't. They work for the player. The player still makes the decisions. This is just you trying to explain a way a decision made by Kris Bryant using the standard "That Boras guy!" excuse.

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This attempt at a gotcha is laughable.

Ill help you get to your non point.

Cub fan: Yes, some veteran players who wanted to win with the Cubs or love Wrigley have reportedly taken less

Rick: So how do you know Bryant wouldnt have taken less?

Cub fan: Because he's an MVP type represented by Scott Boras who could literally end up getting the largest contract in pro sports and it will be his first time as an unrestricted free agent. It's entirely unreasonable to expect that type of player to take less than he's worth

Rick: So what, Boras is just an employee and has no control over his players?

Cub fan: Me and everyone else who has followed baseball and Boras would tell you that is laughable

Rick: No it's not!

Cub fan: Ok





Fin

How many Boras clients haven’t taken the highest dollar amount ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Much as I hate Cub fans, I love Kris Bryant. He's going to look great in Yankee pinstripes.

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Are we all assuming Kris naturally snaps back into .300/30/100 form? He hasn't done it for a couple'a years now, no matter the reason/s. Maybe he'll never be the same again after getting hit in the head in Colorado? (SEE: Heyward, Fucking)

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/how-stephen-strasburgs-175-million-extension-disproves-a-long-held-belief-about-scott-boras

It's a simple question. If other players have taken less money, including guys with mega deals like Heyward, then it could easily be a factor for Bryant. Maybe it won't be and he just wants the biggest contract possible.

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He’ll be lucky to have the career of Eloy Jimenez

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That's a cool play you wrote there but you could have just answered a very simple question and saw what I actually would have said.

It's still hilarious you think that Boras controls Bryant. I understand it probably makes you feel better to blame Boras for stuff but Bryant could fire Boras tomorrow if Boras told him he had to do anything he didn't want.

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