If Maddon is fired what happens to the penguins?

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I'm going to say Maddon knows which guy is the more valuable offensive player.

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Is he still a sure fire HOF

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Probably. He is going to end up with at least 1200 wins and has made the playoffs eight times out of 14 years being a full time manager.
(he had two stints as an interim Angels manager for about 50 games total)

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Jesus H Christ, John McGraw, Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, and Casey Stengel couldn’t get this sack of shit bullpen to throw strikes so I’m not sure that changing the manager is going to do any fucking good until that is corrected .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Christ, Mack, McGraw, Stengel, Renteria, and McCarthy would likely leave their $126 million dollar starting pitcher in for longer than 71 pitches.

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You think Maddon knows better than Theo?

The last 5 balls hit against him were hard contact , gave up a double and a walk to start that inning Where do you think the rest of that inning was headed Frank , based on his history ? Now bringing in Edwards then Chatwood with runners on when you need someone who can throw strikes I’ll give you wasn’t smart . Getting Darvish out is always a good idea. ( and yes I understand it blew up anyway )

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

RPB said it better than I could have; I'm sure Yu felt real good as he sat in the dugout watching the Braves circle the bases.

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Defnitely should have left Darvish in to try and pitch through it.

You have to let these guys (Schwarber, Almora, Hendricks) fail some times. You cant always protect them.

As much as people hate him, Darvish has a better chance of getting hitters out then anyone in the Cub bullpen at the moment.

EDIT/ADD: Ill give a little leeway here since Darvish seems to be overly sensitive. (BTW, is anyone ever going to explain to Yu that he doesnt have to be so honest and open about his feelings? If pithcing in Texas was weird for him that's one thing, but to announce it to a fanbase already questioning your mental side is just asking for trouble)

Once the guy is in his clubhouse, yeah. Otherwise, why pay Maddon? But you know, I've said it before. Let Rizzo make out the lineup and have a pitching coach handle the pitchers and save $6 million. Maybe Theo should manage himself. You know guys like him and Beane want to.

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Oh I believe Beane does manage and Theo does as much as Maddon lets him.

That's a culture thing. In Japan, they truly feel like they let the friends/family/employers down when they fail. This goes all the way back to the Shogun and Samurai days. Its just the way things are in that country.

However, Baseball is a game of failure so those two things clearly do not mesh. Some Japanese players have been able to deal with it better than others. But what would have benefitted Yu and the Cubs more? Leaving him in to give up a couple of runs, but maybe he minimizes the damage and feels a little better about himself? Or have guys who can't find the strikezone with a map come in to let everybody on base score and let the Braves turn over the lineup?

Point being is that the Cubs starters have to go deeper into these games. Part of that is on them to perform for sure. Part of that is on Maddon to see if they can work thru some trouble here and there.

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Darvish no Bushido!

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The dismissal of Bosio and Hickey and the subsequent falling apart of the pitching should be enough to tell Theo to keep his stat nerds out of the coach biz....

Managers basically don't matter in baseball, but they do impact the energy of the clubhouse. That typically goes stale once a team has had success and then starts to struggle, and it's better to just start over. There's probably a lot of resentment right now.

I think they should have Eddie Vedder manage. At least then we wouldn't have to hear him during the 7th inning stretch.

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There may have been a dumber post than this at some point, I just cant recall one.

Hickey did admiral work last year. The pitching coach now doesn't know baseball, Borcellzo is taking a lot of his duties.

With Bob, wait an hour.

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Um, yeah. Heyward, Crawford, Swarb oh my.

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So you are saying the pitching coach is the reason MLB pitchers can't throw strikes....

If this is the case then they are more valuable then the managers.

My guess is they probably already knew how to throw strikes before they choose pitching as a profession and made it to the big leagues.

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Pretty much the same set of pitchers, and they have gone to shit, what variables have changed? It's not all of it, but a big part of it.

It's pretty clear that the front office doesn't trust or like the way Maddon manages the club. Why deal with the drama if that's the case?

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I don't think anyone has ever claimed Maddon is an expert when it comes to scouting, mechanics or analytics. I don't think Maddon himself would claim it.

Maddon is an account manager. He is a public relations representative. He is a life coach. He is a psychologist.

I think he might be one of the least qualified guys in the organization to be determining the 25-man roster. What he is supposed to excel at is getting the most work ethic and positivity out of team, and finding the best coaches that fit the culture and the approach the team is hoping to move forward with.

The coaching carousel makes me question that too.

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David Ortiz
Curt Schilling
Kevin Millar
Bronson Arroyo
Dustin Pedroia
Jacoby Ellsbury
Bill Mueller
Jon Lester
Kyle Hendricks
Dexter Fowler
Kris Bryant
Anthony Rizzo
Ben Zobrist
Jake Arrieta
Pedro Strop
David Ross
John Lackey




The list goes on. Maddon is a good manager but he's made a lot of mistakes the last few years. At LEAST as many as the FO.


I know many like to give Theo shit after he was Deified on arrival but he's literally one of the best GM's of all time and a lock for the Hall of Fame.

Your wearing blinders, unwavering loyalay to Theo and Joe is admirable.

Edwards has always been a mental midget. Montgomery was ok at best and Strop is garbage. Has been for years. Morrow has been hurt and Cischek is a journeyman pitcher. We all knew the bullpen was shit before the new pitching coach started the season. Theo is the one to blame for not fielding a respectable bullpen.

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No, Im just not a slave to recency bias. Both guys have had great careers and have stumbled the last couple seasons.

Cishek and Strop have been two of the best middle relievers in baseball the past 5 years, you're just lying now to defend your terrible position.

More great bullpen managing by the genius.

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