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For purposes of this discussion, is Giannis black ?

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Nothing I said had anything to do with the color of their skin.

I never said you did. But it's odd that you read that into it.


I did not read anything into it You said I was talking shit on American black athletes.


Many here aren't? It's par for the course around here with guys now.


Just look at this exchange. What the fuck is wrong with you? You bring up the race of athletes receiving criticism in response to someone's comments. He responds saying his views have nothing to do with race, to which your response accuses HIM of bringing up race. His next response then points out that it was in fact you who referenced the race of the athletes, and in return you accuse HIM of saying that "many here aren't" criticizing athletes based on their race.

It's sick and rather pathetic how hard you try to call someone a racist, and even worse that you aren't regularly pilloried for it by MANY here.


What's pathetic is how I specifically referred to familiar, American athletes first. Which you can't comprehend. But you keep fighting imaginary windmills.

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For purposes of this discussion, is Giannis black ?

The better question is if he's American.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Nothing I said had anything to do with the color of their skin.

I never said you did. But it's odd that you read that into it.


I did not read anything into it You said I was talking shit on American black athletes.


Many here aren't? It's par for the course around here with guys now.


Just look at this exchange. What the fuck is wrong with you? You bring up the race of athletes receiving criticism in response to someone's comments. He responds saying his views have nothing to do with race, to which your response accuses HIM of bringing up race. His next response then points out that it was in fact you who referenced the race of the athletes, and in return you accuse HIM of saying that "many here aren't" criticizing athletes based on their race.

It's sick and rather pathetic how hard you try to call someone a racist, and even worse that you aren't regularly pilloried for it by MANY here.


What's pathetic is how I specifically referred to familiar, American athletes first. Which you can't comprehend. But you keep fighting imaginary windmills.

And you keep struggling to put a sentence together. You have one too many pops tonight or does someone need to come watch you?
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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I never said you did. But it's odd that you read that into it.


I did not read anything into it You said I was talking shit on American black athletes.


Many here aren't? It's par for the course around here with guys now.


Just look at this exchange. What the fuck is wrong with you? You bring up the race of athletes receiving criticism in response to someone's comments. He responds saying his views have nothing to do with race, to which your response accuses HIM of bringing up race. His next response then points out that it was in fact you who referenced the race of the athletes, and in return you accuse HIM of saying that "many here aren't" criticizing athletes based on their race.

It's sick and rather pathetic how hard you try to call someone a racist, and even worse that you aren't regularly pilloried for it by MANY here.


What's pathetic is how I specifically referred to familiar, American athletes first. Which you can't comprehend. But you keep fighting imaginary windmills.

And you keep struggling to put a sentence together. You have one too many pops tonight or does someone need to come watch you?

You haven't posted in this thread, yet here you are adding your usual shitty, irrelevant "thoughts "

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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


Do you think if he were white and had those same " blips" on the radar , he wouldnt be scorned like he is for them ?

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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


I don’t think he's likable, but he's done more with his fame than any other NBA player I can think of. That's commendable.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


Do you think if he were white and had those same " blips" on the radar , he wouldnt be scorned like he is for them ?


I do not think it is a product of his color but rather his stature. For some reason, people love to tear down great players.

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denisdman wrote:
LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


And he's entirely irrelevant in a shout out to Giannis thread.

And it's odd how other athletes don't get this treatment around here until the last couple of years. Board tenor.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


Do you think if he were white and had those same " blips" on the radar , he wouldnt be scorned like he is for them ?


I do not think it is a product of his color but rather his stature. For some reason, people love to tear down great players.

What does his speech have to do with anything here? But it got mentioned early on.

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And fuck Giannis.

Mean mugging bitch.

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This has turned into a weird shout-out thread unrelated to the subject, who seems like a decent enough guy.

It’s somehow evolved into shading lebron, KD, Luca and accusations of anti-Americanism and/or racism.

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Regular Reader wrote:
denisdman wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


Do you think if he were white and had those same " blips" on the radar , he wouldnt be scorned like he is for them ?


I do not think it is a product of his color but rather his stature. For some reason, people love to tear down great players.

What does his speech have to do with anything here? But it got mentioned early on.

Oh. I get it now. I was honestly completely confounded by what was happening here until now.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


And he's entirely irrelevant in a shout out to Giannis thread.

And it's odd how other athletes don't get this treatment around here until the last couple of years. Board tenor.


His defense of the Chinese government attacks on peaceful protesters in Hong Kong is when the attitudes about Lebron changed here.

Not really surprising that some people here find that likable.

There was a time when no one would have here. Board tenor.

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For purposes of this discussion, is Giannis black ?



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This has turned into a weird shout-out thread unrelated to the subject, who seems like a decent enough guy.

It’s somehow evolved into shading lebron, KD, Luca and accusations of anti-Americanism and/or racism.



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I couldn't agree more with Harry Edward's. Statements
And actually LeBron too.
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But targeting James and accusing him, personally, of suborning a communist dictatorship for his inartful comments is misplaced at best — an attempt to score cheap culture war points while letting the NBA itself off the hook, according to Dr. Harry Edwards, a renowned social justice activist and professor of sociology who has served as an adviser to Colin Kaepernick, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos and Tommie Smith.

The very same people trying to dunk on him now have often had little interest in hearing about social justice causes in America — particularly when James was involved — but, suddenly, they weirdly feel like his voice is not only valued, but also required. What’s more, they seem to feel that his unwillingness to speak about the Hong Kong protesters voids all of his prior advocacy efforts, the school he built in Akron, the spotlight he’s brought on police brutality and state-sanctioned violence and his lobbying for greater gun control, according to those critics. Edwards isn’t having it: “That’s not just disingenuous, it's degenerate,” he said
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LeBron made a business decision. The very same business decision that thousands of other businesses in this country make every single day.

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I ain't speaking for any other guys here.

It just sounds like you are saying that I have my view on this because the guys are black. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

My thoughts on Lebron and Durant have to do with their decisions not on what color they are.


Fine. But there's still a clear line of demarcation with some around here. And it's an odd jealousy. But not surprising.

Can I say Heyward blows without it being racially motivated?

Biggest prima-donnas in the major sports. Wide receivers, running backs, NBA players ( " load management" ) , Lucas Giolito. Sorry that the majority are also black.



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I hate lebron because he's a whiny flopping bitch.

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Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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I ain't speaking for any other guys here.

It just sounds like you are saying that I have my view on this because the guys are black. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

My thoughts on Lebron and Durant have to do with their decisions not on what color they are.


Fine. But there's still a clear line of demarcation with some around here. And it's an odd jealousy. But not surprising.

Can I say Heyward blows without it being racially motivated?

Biggest prima-donnas in the major sports. Wide receivers, running backs, NBA players ( " load management" ) . Sorry that a great majority are also black.

Fine, but your trolling never seems to extend to less African-American sports. .


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Lebron dares to be mentioned with Michael and everyone blanches when the very valid comparison is not favorable for him.

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I do not like the Bucks at all.

But I have got a lot of respect for Giannis. Guy stuck with his original team and has worked hard to try and get them to a championship, and it looks like he has been successful in that.

Guys like Durant and Lebron could take a lesson from him.

What did the Bucks do to you? :lol:

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LeBron has been under the microscope since high school. He has been a fantastic NBA player. If you are hyper critical, he has made exactly two mistakes. 1) The Decision which seemed like a good idea but was a huge slap in the face to his home town team. 2) His kind of defense of China in the Rockets fiasco.

Neither of these are particularly egregious offenses. In in the context of several decades in the spotlight, they are mere blips on the radar.

LeBron is a likable superstar to me. No one can match Ali or Jordan in their ability to be a great showman, but the LeBron hate is wholly irrational. I mean, you could make the case he was not selfish enough on the court. How often can you say that about an NBA superstar?


I don't agree with this, there are tons of reasons not to like him.
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The amount of hate some of you have is amazing and extremely sad.

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I couldn't agree more with Harry Edward's. Statements
And actually LeBron too.
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But targeting James and accusing him, personally, of suborning a communist dictatorship for his inartful comments is misplaced at best — an attempt to score cheap culture war points while letting the NBA itself off the hook, according to Dr. Harry Edwards, a renowned social justice activist and professor of sociology who has served as an adviser to Colin Kaepernick, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos and Tommie Smith.

The very same people trying to dunk on him now have often had little interest in hearing about social justice causes in America — particularly when James was involved — but, suddenly, they weirdly feel like his voice is not only valued, but also required. What’s more, they seem to feel that his unwillingness to speak about the Hong Kong protesters voids all of his prior advocacy efforts, the school he built in Akron, the spotlight he’s brought on police brutality and state-sanctioned violence and his lobbying for greater gun control, according to those critics. Edwards isn’t having it: “That’s not just disingenuous, it's degenerate,” he said
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LeBron made a business decision. The very same business decision that thousands of other businesses in this country make every single day.


Let's also remember that Harry Edwards is not just an advisor to Lebron, he is a PAID advisor. So, if Lebron took a bad social justice position and Edwards is advising him on social justice positions, then the criticism of Lebron is also a criticism of Edwards. So there is some self serving here.

I can agree with the ultimate point he is trying to make but this statement is, essentially, "don't pay attention to his stance on this important, global issue on a topic with which he has a lot of sway because he has done other good things". Sure, the criticism may very well be disingenuous but it doesn't mean it is incorrect...like me trolling about Theo. Even stipulating that he has taken a lot of good positions. If we are talking about some type of ultimate judgement on him, sure, you balance everything. However, if you are disappointed in this particular position, that is valid.

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The Missing Link wrote:
I couldn't agree more with Harry Edward's. Statements
And actually LeBron too.
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But targeting James and accusing him, personally, of suborning a communist dictatorship for his inartful comments is misplaced at best — an attempt to score cheap culture war points while letting the NBA itself off the hook, according to Dr. Harry Edwards, a renowned social justice activist and professor of sociology who has served as an adviser to Colin Kaepernick, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos and Tommie Smith.

The very same people trying to dunk on him now have often had little interest in hearing about social justice causes in America — particularly when James was involved — but, suddenly, they weirdly feel like his voice is not only valued, but also required. What’s more, they seem to feel that his unwillingness to speak about the Hong Kong protesters voids all of his prior advocacy efforts, the school he built in Akron, the spotlight he’s brought on police brutality and state-sanctioned violence and his lobbying for greater gun control, according to those critics. Edwards isn’t having it: “That’s not just disingenuous, it's degenerate,” he said
.

LeBron made a business decision. The very same business decision that thousands of other businesses in this country make every single day.


Let's also remember that Harry Edwards is not just an advisor to Lebron, he is a PAID advisor. So, if Lebron took a bad social justice position and Edwards is advising him on social justice positions, then the criticism of Lebron is also a criticism of Edwards. So there is some self serving here.

I can agree with the ultimate point he is trying to make but this statement is, essentially, "don't pay attention to his stance on this important, global issue on a topic with which he has a lot of sway because he has done other good things". Sure, the criticism may very well be disingenuous but it doesn't mean it is incorrect...like me trolling about Theo. Even stipulating that he has taken a lot of good positions. If we are talking about some type of ultimate judgement on him, sure, you balance everything. However, if you are disappointed in this particular position, that is valid.


Lebron James was somehow placed in charge of clarifying the thoughts of Daryl Morey. That's not his responsibility.

He made a decision to get in bed with the Chinese Govt years ago and so did the NBA and its owners. If they wanted to take a stand they would have done do so years before Lebron became a player in the league. They didn't and so we get what we get at this point.

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I couldn't agree more with Harry Edward's. Statements
And actually LeBron too.
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But targeting James and accusing him, personally, of suborning a communist dictatorship for his inartful comments is misplaced at best — an attempt to score cheap culture war points while letting the NBA itself off the hook, according to Dr. Harry Edwards, a renowned social justice activist and professor of sociology who has served as an adviser to Colin Kaepernick, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos and Tommie Smith.

The very same people trying to dunk on him now have often had little interest in hearing about social justice causes in America — particularly when James was involved — but, suddenly, they weirdly feel like his voice is not only valued, but also required. What’s more, they seem to feel that his unwillingness to speak about the Hong Kong protesters voids all of his prior advocacy efforts, the school he built in Akron, the spotlight he’s brought on police brutality and state-sanctioned violence and his lobbying for greater gun control, according to those critics. Edwards isn’t having it: “That’s not just disingenuous, it's degenerate,” he said
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LeBron made a business decision. The very same business decision that thousands of other businesses in this country make every single day.


Let's also remember that Harry Edwards is not just an advisor to Lebron, he is a PAID advisor. So, if Lebron took a bad social justice position and Edwards is advising him on social justice positions, then the criticism of Lebron is also a criticism of Edwards. So there is some self serving here.

I can agree with the ultimate point he is trying to make but this statement is, essentially, "don't pay attention to his stance on this important, global issue on a topic with which he has a lot of sway because he has done other good things". Sure, the criticism may very well be disingenuous but it doesn't mean it is incorrect...like me trolling about Theo. Even stipulating that he has taken a lot of good positions. If we are talking about some type of ultimate judgement on him, sure, you balance everything. However, if you are disappointed in this particular position, that is valid.


Lebron James was somehow placed in charge of clarifying the thoughts of Daryl Morey. That's not his responsibility.

He made a decision to get in bed with the Chinese Govt years ago and so did the NBA and its owners. If they wanted to take a stand they would have done do so years before Lebron became a player in the league. They didn't and so we get what we get at this point.


I think the NBA has received deserved criticism on this issue as well.

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