My position is lock them away at a funny farm or electrocute them. Either way no one wants to pay for my idea

_________________

I think electrocuting them is a more humane way for them to go

_________________

Caller Bob locked away without access to CFMB.

_________________
Hawaii (fuck) You

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Neither of us was on that train. So we don't really know.

But I'll say this much. If I did what that guy was doing in your face, I'm guessing you'd attack me. And I'm 100% certain that if it were some crazy white guy screaming racial slurs, a lot of those now wringing their hands would by justifying his death.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

You don’t have all the facts but you’ve convinced yourself this guy should face no potential consequences. Makes sense!

_________________

I've only seen one or two witnesses or quotes that said they felt bad for not intervening. The rest of the statements that I saw were supportive, afraid, angry, or not wanting to involve themselves. There were 2 other guys restraining him and New York has a known subway problem. Considering he's been violent in several other situations I'm guessing the passengers took his only shouting seriously enough to consider themselves in danger. He was erratic, aggressive, and hostile. I don't think they meant to kill him and I think the Marine to some degree instinctively did what he was trained to do.

It’s His era

_________________

very true, we don't know; which in this age of ubiquitous surveillance cams and camera phones, you'd think there'd be video of the lead up but no...




hell naw, you're all in shape and shit from huffing and puffing on your bike all the time. i'd have to get the drop on you somehow or you'd tire me out and kick my ass.

haven't really had any of these troublemaker folks get right up in my face. except one time on a walking tour of the West Village in NYC with one of my millennial girlfriends and a struggling Broadway actor tour guide (which his sexual orientation fit the job) some little white homeless looking dude ran up on us and those two booked it down the block and left me standing there listening to this homeless dude spew all manner of craziness. but he didn't do anything. i didn't turn my back to him until he finished and walked off tho.

I have plenty of facts. The guy has no criminal record. The guy he subdued was a violent repeat offender. The other people on the train supported and assisted the citizen. After subduing the violent criminal he placed him in a recovery position.

So yeah, it does make sense. It's a prosecutor who is trying to lock up the guy who defended himself and others from a violent criminal he refused to prosecute that doesn't make sense.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

You just said you weren’t on the train

_________________

I've had more than a few yell at me or mean mug me. And they came in all colors, black, white, and Hispanic. One was even a woman. I never felt I was in imminent danger but I did think things could go sideways in a hurry.

I'm not even saying I would step in if a guy were directly threatening a woman. I like to think I would, but I don't know. If I was sure I could take the guy down maybe I would. Otherwise, I'd hope someone else would.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

One needn't have been on the train to know the facts I stated.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

I remember living in the west loop and wandering around the environs when I'd see homeless folks I'd usually give em money, few dollars or a five or whatever. a few times I was really drunk I probably gave em a twenty. But my 5'1" girlfriend at the time -- once we were walking around together and had such an encounter as we were walking off she observed that when she was by herself that person and homeless in general let her be. She asked some of the girls at her work about it and they told her they thought the cops would give the homeless grief if they were seen even talking to a solo woman? I dunno. this was back when the Chicago PD still had teeth (2000-2005 range).

I think the train is an important aspect in this story. If it's just some nut on the street, you can walk away. I would feel a lot differently if this had occurred on the street. Unless the nut was chasing the guy. But the fact that you're trapped in a metal tube with a threatening person is an important component.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

You’ve got your martyr. Enjoy

_________________

I wonder how many people on the train that day had interacted with Neely on a previous trip?

_________________

Red Line is running about 18-minute headways in the evenings now, Blue Line closer to 30. That's a lot of time to wait around for more feral bums on fentanyl.

_________________

The fight or flight mechanism has different parameters by necessity. To judge this situation from the comforts of our home doesn't seem to me, wise. There's a certain instinct that comes with people who've had altercations. I don't really trust someone's opinion who's never been in a physical altercation in their adult life. It's pollyanna to think because "I've never had an altercation, so therefore, I never will" leads to black and white judgements. Apparently 3 people read the situation as a pretty dangerous. That must be taken into account.

sounds like a lost Tubes B-side

What about choking out a guy for 15 minutes, especially after he's clearly passed out. Or maybe alerting the conductor before you kill the guy?

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I think once the threat has been neutralized, ie the guy is unconscious, you can stop the restraining with the knowledge that of he goes crazy again you can wrap him up fairly quickly. In the meantime you can move vulnerable bystanders away. This stinks a bit.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Isn't that what happened?

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

No. And that's a real fact.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I agree the dude had to take action but if you have any combat training then you know how to neutralize a guy without obstructing his airway. Plenty of jujitsu holds and other things could have been applied - you could have even broke his leg/ankle via submission hold to render him ineffective but still stayed on top of him anyway until police arrived.

_________________
Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I'm only addressing the initial takedown. There seems to be people who think life is grand and shit just kinda resolves itself.

It kinda did resolve itself. New Yorkers who take the subway now have one less maniac who may push them onto the tracks or crack and old woman in the jaw to worry about .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Obviously you haven't watched the video. Because it's exactly what happened. He held the criminal as he was kicking his legs and was assisted by two other citizens, one of whom appeared to be "Of Color", and as soon as the criminal stopped attempting to get loose they released him. Those are the facts. And it's indisputable as much as you wish it were otherwise. For what reason I'm not sure. I suppose because you enjoy screaming about "RACISM!"

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.

If that's true how did he die?

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

As long as the electricity comes from wind, solar, or hydroelectric power I'll side with you on this.

_________________

I guess that's for a coroner to decide.

As you said above, "once the threat has been neutralized, ie the guy is unconscious, you can stop the restraining." That's what the citizens did. The guy that has been charged was holding him down as he kicked and struggled to break free (possibly to make good on his threats). One of the other guys had his arm and said that he went limp. At that point he was released and the guy who has been charged moved him to a recovery position.

_________________
The Court will accord substantial deference to the government's immigration policies, particularly those that implicate matters of national security.