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Of course the underwear olympics will change how these early mocks look pretty drastically this year. There arent as many ‘can’t miss’ type guys in this draft on paper. Kind of hard to judge some of this atm

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A lot will probably change, but in the top 9, I think we can currently expect these guys to be gone (in no order):

- Travis Hunter
- Cam Ward
- Abdul Carter
- Shadeur Sanders

From there, it's probably a matter of team needs/rankings, but I think the Bears would likely pick from this range

-Brugler has Banks going 18 (other's have him going top 10).
- Armand Membou (OT/G), Missouri
- Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio State
- Malaki Starks, S, Georgia (probably unlikely for the Bears)
- Jalon Walker, Edge, Georgia
- Mason Graham, DT, Michigan (I still think he finds his way into the Top 10)
- Will Campbell, OT/G, LSU


Josh Simmons is climbing up the boards, supposedly the best LT prospect before knee injury this year.

Almost have to go with the best LT prospect, then sign 2 guys in FA that can start, and draft a guard/center in the second or third round.

You then have new starters everywhere but RT, if Braxton Jones is physically ready next year he is your swing tackle.


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I know they need line help. However, I would put my draft choice on that amazing running back from Boise State. Free agency is the place to get Oline help I think and that guy would really be a game changer.

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They can get the white guy from asu in a later round.

That way, they waste a 4th instead of a 1st on a back. We all get to say a very fun name for the next couple years and the Bears maybe start addressing the most severely talent deficient unit on the roster.

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Highly likely they will upgrade at RB now that Johnson is the guy, but you need to draft the best lineman available with your first round pick.

Would love to be in the room when Johnson and Poles break down the roster, Johnson like big nasty lineman which is the opposite of what Poles has drafted/signed. There must have been some type of agreement that Johnson will have say on the roster, and why not, he has a more proven track record of identifying and coaching up offensive talent than anyone else at Halas Hall.


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Two things.. ok so maybe Caleb isn’t over 6 feet tall


2nd.. while I’m not sure Jeanty will be available at 9 (early mocks do have him going later for some reason but I’m not buying it).. do the Bears switch gears with Johnson on board and go for one of the top backs in this draft if they’re available when they pick..?

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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle


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Highly likely they will upgrade at RB now that Johnson is the guy, but you need to draft the best lineman available with your first round pick.

Would love to be in the room when Johnson and Poles break down the roster, Johnson like big nasty lineman which is the opposite of what Poles has drafted/signed. There must have been some type of agreement that Johnson will have say on the roster, and why not, he has a more proven track record of identifying and coaching up offensive talent than anyone else at Halas Hall.


This draft has a ton of RB depth. No argument that they will take one but I would be surprised if it's in the 1st 2 rounds.


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Any offensive player chosen in the draft should be 100% at the behest of Johnson with no input from Poles, he may as well leave the draft room. Also I would not rule out Jeatty to the Bears. This draft kinda sucks for top Oline talent.


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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle





This is short sighted imo. 1st they can still get good value on linemen after the 1st round, especially the interior. 2nd, Jeanty is a special player -and there are no can’t miss guys this year at O-line- I’m of the mind that you don’t pass on guys who are game changer types. If Jeanty is there at 9 -I doubt he will be- he’s worth considering. Especially considering how important the RB position is to Johnson’s offense.


I’d also add it depends on what they do in FA. Adding a guy like Smith (from KC) will give them wiggle room on a skill position guy like Jeanty.


For what it’s worth Abdul Carter is my guy (Edge Penn St).. but I doubt the Bears could grab him without trading up. He’s probably the 1st non QB off the board.

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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle

They are picking too long to be assured of a good one and the development timeline of one you can get at nine is too long. They are so fucked when comes to the line its hard to describe, the years of neglect is really coming home to roost.


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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle

They are picking too long to be assured of a good one and the development timeline of one you can get at nine is too long. They are so fucked when comes to the line its hard to describe, the years of neglect is really coming home to roost.

Are you saying the OL is really bad in Chicago?

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Everybody trashed the Gibbs pick at the time.

That said, Detroit already had the foundation of a great line in place and could afford to make a move like that. I’m hoping Johnson realizes the Bears are still very much in line building mode and doesn’t try to mimic that pick.

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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle

They are picking too long to be assured of a good one and the development timeline of one you can get at nine is too long. They are so fucked when comes to the line its hard to describe, the years of neglect is really coming home to roost.

Are you saying the OL is really bad in Chicago?

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I mean Caleb Williams was one of the ten or so worst players ever to start all his teams games. The bad OL isn’t an excuse for how poor he was.


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Will Campbell, OT/G, LSU

The Bears have had three top-10 picks since Ryan Poles became the GM in 2022, and they've used them all on offense. But anyone who watched Chicago play this season knows Caleb Williams needs better protection; the rookie QB took 68 sacks. The entire offensive line class is still on the board here, and it's close between Campbell and Texas' Kelvin Banks Jr. at the top.

I lean Campbell because he was better this season and has more size at 6-foot-6, 323 pounds, even though Banks is ranked higher on my board (No. 10 vs. No. 11). Campbell gave up just two sacks over 524 pass-block snaps this season. There are some length concerns, and he might kick inside to guard, but Chicago needs help all over that line.


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You guys keep saying 9, fwiw the Bears pick 10th

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The best player is going to be an edge in a very rich edge draft

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If they draft a RB or WR at 9 that will be lions mike williams level of a bad pick. draft a lineman, preferably an offensive tackle

They are picking too long to be assured of a good one and the development timeline of one you can get at nine is too long. They are so fucked when comes to the line its hard to describe, the years of neglect is really coming home to roost.

Are you saying the OL is really bad in Chicago?

big if true

In other news, water is wet.

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has there been any reports as to what position travis hunter will be drafted to play? i cant imangine an NFL team will want him to play both offense and defense. if not, is he a better CB or WR?


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has there been any reports as to what position travis hunter will be drafted to play? i cant imangine an NFL team will want him to play both offense and defense. if not, is he a better CB or WR?

Everything I’ve read has him starting off as a CB.

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I think the scouting on him has been that he’s a starting caliber CB and maybe a third option at WR.

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So with Abdul Carter pretty much a lock for the top-5 I’ve been looking at some of the other top pass rushers in this class.


Mike Green from Marshall and James Pearce from Tennessee seem to be moving up the most. Between those two I really like Pearce.. he needs to add some weight but he jumps off the screen when you watch him. His get off and bend are very noticeable, and he’s got a ton of good hand fighting skill and pass rush moves to go along with everything else. Truth be told I’m almost as impressed with him as I am with Carter.


Green has a lot of hype but to me he looks slow and plays a bit too upright for my tastes. Still there’s some good film from him -tho it’s Sun Belt film so a lot of it is him dominating guys that won’t be playing on Sunday’s. I can see where the hype comes from but if I’m the Bears choosing between these two (Pearce or Green) I’m rolling with Pearce. He did it against SEC competition and like I said he jumps off the screen when watching him.


There’s some O-linemen I’m liking at the 10 spot too but I’ll get to them later. I still think the best D-line value is up higher in this draft as opposed to O-linemen who are quality well past day 1. The edge rushers thin out a bit imo after the top 5 guys or so.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an NFL maven. Strong and quick gets you to the quarterback. Just get the strongest quickest guy you can find and hope he's a killer.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an NFL maven. Strong and quick gets you to the quarterback. Just get the strongest quickest guy you can find and hope he's a killer.




‘Strong and quick’ aren’t as easy to measure as you might think tho. In college level of competition matters. A guy can look ‘strong and quick’ against lesser comp and you may never really get to see them against higher quality players at the college level so the evaluation process gets more complicated. The problem with some of these guys like Green is everyone always wants to point at someone like Khalil Mack (who came out of Buffalo) and say that’s why you can’t ignore the guys who go to smaller schools or play in shit conferences. And while that’s true to some extent, it’s also true to point out that guys like Mack are much more the exception to the rule rather than the rule itself.


I’d also add that the combine adds more complexity to this process. The combine is where you see guys who really weren’t on the radar sometimes shoot up draft boards after they list a crazy 40 time or video surfaces of them jumping out of a pool. Then there’s things like ‘RAF’ scores that can be misleading.. This is why I’m a huge fan of trusting the tape, studying film. Yeah it’s great this guy can jump out of a pool, or he runs a nice 40 time.. what does he actually look like with pads on playing football? What level of competition did he face? How’d he look against other future NFL prospects..? And so on.


Now there are some positions that are easier to evaluate than others because the positions themselves don’t have too much complexity in their make up. Running Back and Edge rushers tend to lean this direction. They can be very ‘what you see is what you get’ to some extent. That doesn’t mean guys can’t rise up and out perform or under perform, it’s just that these positions tend to be pretty steady when it comes to producing expected results.


The issue I take with guys like Pace and Poles is that they like projects with high potential rather than just taking the obvious choice or the guys that are already realizing their potential. They look for the ‘steals’ guys who were highly recruited coming out of high school or who have high ‘RAS’ scores but they underperformed.. this is why I’m not a fan of all these pie charts and metric driven evaluations. It’s dumbing things down, making the evaluation process lazier. To me there’s no short cut to things like this -you have to throw on the tape, show up to some games and practices and watch these guys play. In the end.. a good scout/GM just has to know what they’re looking at.

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There’s a ton of merit to Philly’s approach of just taking guys from UGA.

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Even with the SEC being a shadow of its former self?

Well don’t draft the offensive players and you’ll be fine.

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