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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:34 am 
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The one thing I have heard zero about in the review of his legacy is the closing of churches during COVID. I have a feeling that is because, just as with R and D silence about the topic during elections, everyone was complicit. I don't absolve us as laity either. In a summer of protests we should have been beating on the doors every Sunday. Still, he was the leader and part of being a leader is taking the heat.

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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.


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This is coming from a catholic: Fuck him

I realize whatever media you consume can make you love or hate anybody, but the pope hating crowd is one of the most hilarious.


He was a globalist, a communist, and a pagan.

Believe what you want to believe, but he was not a man of God.

They should've crucified him

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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.

Most people either lie about what happened or lie that everybody did the same thing. There were distinct branches of the Covidians and the more devout have definitely whitewashed it. One of the reasons people think Newsom is reasonable and viable today is they can’t think back 4-5 years.

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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.

Most people either lie about what happened or lie that everybody did the same thing. There were distinct branches of the Covidians and the more devout have definitely whitewashed it. One of the reasons people think Newsom is reasonable and viable today is they can’t think back 4-5 years.
It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

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It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it.


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It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it.

There have been lessons but every time someone, such as Fauci, admits that things should have been done different everyone ignores it or worst calls him to be jailed because he said that social distancing works with 6 feet apart and the number may have been more or less than 6 feet.

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It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it.

There have been lessons but every time someone, such as Fauci, admits that things should have been done different everyone ignores it or worst calls him to be jailed because he said that social distancing works with 6 feet apart and the number may have been more or less than 6 feet.


90 million lessons* Plausibly


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There have been lessons but every time someone, such as Fauci, admits that things should have been done different everyone ignores it or worst calls him to be jailed because he said that social distancing works with 6 feet apart and the number may have been more or less than 6 feet.

I think people are significantly more upset about closing the schools for two years than they are about the six feet thing.


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There have been lessons but every time someone, such as Fauci, admits that things should have been done different everyone ignores it or worst calls him to be jailed because he said that social distancing works with 6 feet apart and the number may have been more or less than 6 feet.

I think people are significantly more upset about closing the schools for two years than they are about the six feet thing.

Yes, and Fauci has said that closing schools was a mistake too.

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Yes, and Fauci has said that closing schools was a mistake too.

Well when the “mistake” has the ramfications that one has had there needs to be consequences for the people who made it. Not just like “oh well better luck next time!”—you are talking entire segments of the population who are just truly fucked and cannot do a job because they never learned how to read or do math because the school was closed.


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Yes, and Fauci has said that closing schools was a mistake too.

Well when the “mistake” has the ramfications that one has had there needs to be consequences for the people who made it. Not just like “oh well better luck next time!”—you are talking entire segments of the population who are just truly fucked and cannot do a job because they never learned how to read or do math because the school was closed.

You literally just proved my point. You went from "It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it." to "there needs to be consequences for the people who made it."

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Yes, and Fauci has said that closing schools was a mistake too.

Well when the “mistake” has the ramfications that one has had there needs to be consequences for the people who made it. Not just like “oh well better luck next time!”—you are talking entire segments of the population who are just truly fucked and cannot do a job because they never learned how to read or do math because the school was closed.

You literally just proved my point. You went from "It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it." to "there needs to be consequences for the people who made it."

To prosecute the people responsible for this travesty would be to create stakes so that a little cough doesn’t turn into a political football that cratered our society as collateral damage.


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I think that idea ended when we elected again the guy who was in charge when the lockdowns of schools happened.

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USA wrote:
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Yes, and Fauci has said that closing schools was a mistake too.

Well when the “mistake” has the ramfications that one has had there needs to be consequences for the people who made it. Not just like “oh well better luck next time!”—you are talking entire segments of the population who are just truly fucked and cannot do a job because they never learned how to read or do math because the school was closed.

You literally just proved my point. You went from "It would probably be a good thing to learn a few lessons from it." to "there needs to be consequences for the people who made it."

To prosecute the people responsible for this travesty would be to create stakes so that a little cough doesn’t turn into a political football that cratered our society as collateral damage.

Trump is going down for fast tracking the jab.

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Brick wrote:
I think that idea ended when we elected again the guy who was in charge when the lockdowns of schools happened.

I don’t think I’m being too controversial when I say second term Trump is almost completely unrecognizable to first term Trump.


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USA wrote:
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I think that idea ended when we elected again the guy who was in charge when the lockdowns of schools happened.

I don’t think I’m being too controversial when I say second term Trump is almost completely unrecognizable to first term Trump.
So basically, let's move past the mistakes made in 2020? :lol:

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I think assenting to state demands to close churches is an, at least slightly, different discussion about church leaders than it is for political leaders.

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I think that idea ended when we elected again the guy who was in charge when the lockdowns of schools happened.

I don’t think I’m being too controversial when I say second term Trump is almost completely unrecognizable to first term Trump.
So basically, let's move past the mistakes made in 2020? :lol:

The mistakes made in April & May were one thing, to perpetuate those mistakes for another two years was what really did the damage.


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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.

Most people either lie about what happened or lie that everybody did the same thing. There were distinct branches of the Covidians and the more devout have definitely whitewashed it. One of the reasons people think Newsom is reasonable and viable today is they can’t think back 4-5 years.
It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.


At this point, what does it even matter?

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USA wrote:
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USA wrote:
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I think that idea ended when we elected again the guy who was in charge when the lockdowns of schools happened.

I don’t think I’m being too controversial when I say second term Trump is almost completely unrecognizable to first term Trump.
So basically, let's move past the mistakes made in 2020? :lol:

The mistakes made in April & May were one thing, to perpetuate those mistakes for another two years was what really did the damage.

The lockdowns were almost all gone by the time Biden took office though. Mask mandates lasted too long but there was almost no long term damage from the annoyance of mask wearing. The free money machine was by both Trump and Biden but Biden shut it off. Remember, he stole $600 from Americans by not giving them a full $2,000!

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Francis was the first climate pope. Who will take up his mantle?
Story by Chico Harlan • 40m • 4 min read


read this recently, 2004 climate change predictions - courtesy of the pentagon, warning us about the immediate future up until 2020:

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· By 2007 violent storms smash coastal barriers rendering large parts of the Netherlands uninhabitable. Cities like The Hague are abandoned. In California the delta island levees in the Sacramento river area are breached, disrupting the aqueduct system transporting water from north to south.

· Between 2010 and 2020 Europe is hardest hit by climatic change with an average annual temperature drop of 6F. Climate in Britain becomes colder and drier as weather patterns begin to resemble Siberia.

· Rich areas like the US and Europe would become ‘virtual fortresses’ to prevent millions of migrants from entering after being forced from land drowned by sea-level rise or no longer able to grow crops. Waves of boatpeople pose significant problems.


the usa was not a 'virtual fortress'; preventing millions of 'migrants' from entering between 2021 and 2024. they didn't come because they couldn't grow crops, they came for free stuff. none of this has come to pass. believe the pope should concentrate on religion and leave climate change to those who wish to use it as a tool to further their net worth and/or power.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver1?CMP=share_btn_link


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The lockdowns were almost all gone by the time Biden took office though. Mask mandates lasted too long but there was almost no long term damage from the annoyance of mask wearing. The free money machine was by both Trump and Biden but Biden shut it off. Remember, he stole $600 from Americans by not giving them a full $2,000!

Wow somebody doesn’t remember the DELTA AND OMNICRON variants


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I mean it shows you how effective this memory holing as been. Brick has been successfully convinced that Joe Biden merely by taking office ended all covid hysterics once and for all, and that from January 2020 onward the only sign that there was a virus was a few people still wearing masks…


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The lockdowns were almost all gone by the time Biden took office though. Mask mandates lasted too long but there was almost no long term damage from the annoyance of mask wearing. The free money machine was by both Trump and Biden but Biden shut it off. Remember, he stole $600 from Americans by not giving them a full $2,000!

Wow somebody doesn’t remember the DELTA AND OMNICRON variants

COVID existed. The free money train was still going. I'm glad Biden cut if off eventually. The lockdowns were almost all gone.

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I spent a month cumulative month locked in two hotel rooms in San Francisco and then Christchurch with forty-five minutes of “outdoor time” a day while being guarded by soldiers in September and October 2021. The idea that this shit was at all over when Joe Biden took office is just completely incongruent with fucking reality.

And this farce was 100% at the impetus of our own federal government. The New Zealanders were fine with just seven days.


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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.

Most people either lie about what happened or lie that everybody did the same thing. There were distinct branches of the Covidians and the more devout have definitely whitewashed it. One of the reasons people think Newsom is reasonable and viable today is they can’t think back 4-5 years.
It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

Pretending things didn’t happen and not holding people accountable for their actions is whitewashing.

For example, take a guy like JB. Saying that a guy who mandated toddlers wear masks is likely a lunatic that shouldn’t be president isn’t “spending your life worrying about something.” It’s “hey, this guy is a lunatic and shouldn’t be president - here’s why.”

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I mean it shows you how effective this memory holing as been. Brick has been successfully convinced that Joe Biden merely by taking office ended all covid hysterics once and for all, and that from January 2020 onward the only sign that there was a virus was a few people still wearing masks…

It’s beyond memory holed. It’s a “ok, even if these things happened, who cares and why should anybody ever be responsible for decisions they made in the past?”

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I spent a month cumulative month locked in two hotel rooms in San Francisco and then Christchurch with forty-five minutes of “outdoor time” a day while being guarded by soldiers in September and October 2021. The idea that this shit was at all over when Joe Biden took office is just completely incongruent with fucking reality.

And this farce was 100% at the impetus of our own federal government. The New Zealanders were fine with just seven days.

There are exceptions for sure but that isn't what most were dealing with in October 2021.

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To the extent its even possible with something that was a defining event that affected everyday life for the better part of two years across the most of the country the media & government have basically tried to memory hole the virus.

Most people either lie about what happened or lie that everybody did the same thing. There were distinct branches of the Covidians and the more devout have definitely whitewashed it. One of the reasons people think Newsom is reasonable and viable today is they can’t think back 4-5 years.
It's not being whitewashed. Some people aren't going to spend the rest of their lives worrying about mistakes that were made back then that have been reversed for years.

Pretending things didn’t happen and not holding people accountable for their actions is whitewashing.

For example, take a guy like JB. Saying that a guy who mandated toddlers wear masks is likely a lunatic that shouldn’t be president isn’t “spending your life worrying about something.” It’s “hey, this guy is a lunatic and shouldn’t be president - here’s why.”

No one is pretending it didn't happen. It's just not worth worrying about in 2025.

Feel free not to vote for JB for President because of COVID policy. It certainly kept Trump from winning.

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