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Tigers and Rays will take cuts and stay with their RSNs for one more year. The Tigers, reading between the lines, want to buy themselves some time to get something set up with the Red Wings, and the Rays have bigger problems to worry about at the moment.

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Reds in-housed, Rangers and Royals still in some sort of purgatory.

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The death spiral begins. The next CBA is going to be very interesting. The Dodgers, and Yankees have to play somebody, you know. Insolvent can't field a team.


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Unless the owners are just going to agree to some kind of percentage split of the revenue (unlikely), the players have bigger problems than the terms of the CBA. You can have all of the terms you want, but if 80% of the teams refuse to enter into mega deals, there are going to be fewer of them.


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The death spiral begins. The next CBA is going to be very interesting. The Dodgers, and Yankees have to play somebody, you know. Insolvent can't field a team.


It does seem that baseball will decline significantly within the next 5-10 years, aging fanbase and a lack of local TV coverage which makes the product less accessible to casual fans.

You are kind of back to the future where the Yankees can buy all the best players, the small market franchises already cannot afford to keep home grown talent once they reach free agency, and now they might not be able to fund farm systems.

The loss of the local TV broadcasts and the unique local TV play by play guys is really the end of an era, used to be that you knew it was summer once you heard Harry Carey or Hawk's voice.


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Unless the owners are just going to agree to some kind of percentage split of the revenue (unlikely)


why not, there's already a lot of revenue sharing and now there are far more 'have nots' than the Dodgers, Yankees. Even the Cubs would do the Reinsdorfian thing (with the Bulls) and push for more financial parity even though they'd get screwed.

they could reason that 50% of TV revenue goes to the league. Like mentioned above, these big market teams have to play somebody for there to be an airing


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Unless the owners are just going to agree to some kind of percentage split of the revenue (unlikely)


why not, there's already a lot of revenue sharing and now there are far more 'have nots' than the Dodgers, Yankees. Even the Cubs would do the Reinsdorfian thing (with the Bulls) and push for more financial parity even though they'd get screwed.

they could reason that 50% of TV revenue goes to the league. Like mentioned above, these big market teams have to play somebody for there to be an airing


You could be right. This passage:

The issue in MLB getting the other clubs on board is that they are in very different financial positions. Broadly speaking, the larger-market clubs are in better shape, both because of stronger viewership bases and because the club and its broadcaster are often the same company. If all the clubs were cobbled together as part of some bundle which spread the profits around, that would benefit the smaller clubs while harming the larger ones

sounds a lot like NFL style television revenue sharing.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/ ... plans.html


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Spitballin' here:

The NHL's ESPN deal, also includes farming out the old out-of-market package to ESPN+, runs through 2029. The Rogers deal for Canadian TV expires in 2026, and they've already begun subcontracting out their Monday night games to Prime Video. I think the NHL will follow the lead of MLS and sell a leaguewide streaming contract: MLS is on Apple TV+, so I could see the NHL going to Prime. This would mean the end of territorial restrictions and the beginning of everything being available to everyone for a price. The Chicago Sports Network and the OTA/DTC models elsewhere around the league are likely just a stopgap until the league can get the big enchilada. Sure, the CBC and an American network will get their little cutouts, but you gotta believe that's the eventual goal.



Said this about hockey but it seems to be the case for baseball, too. Just gotta mark time until 2028 and then it's going to be a whole paradigm shift of how baseball is televised.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Spitballin' here:

The NHL's ESPN deal, also includes farming out the old out-of-market package to ESPN+, runs through 2029. The Rogers deal for Canadian TV expires in 2026, and they've already begun subcontracting out their Monday night games to Prime Video. I think the NHL will follow the lead of MLS and sell a leaguewide streaming contract: MLS is on Apple TV+, so I could see the NHL going to Prime. This would mean the end of territorial restrictions and the beginning of everything being available to everyone for a price. The Chicago Sports Network and the OTA/DTC models elsewhere around the league are likely just a stopgap until the league can get the big enchilada. Sure, the CBC and an American network will get their little cutouts, but you gotta believe that's the eventual goal.



Said this about hockey but it seems to be the case for baseball, too. Just gotta mark time until 2028 and then it's going to be a whole paradigm shift of how baseball is televised.

I cannot wait for the territorial restrictions to be lifted....it cannot happen soon enough. I'll be curious to how supply and demand settle how it's priced for consumers.

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CHSN and Marquee may merge to help negotiating power with Comcast/Xfinity

https://awfulannouncing.com/local-netwo ... spute.html


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CHSN and Marquee may merge to help negotiating power with Comcast/Xfinity

https://awfulannouncing.com/local-netwo ... spute.html


Or not
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-med ... d-to-merge


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Do miss the old RSN hot chick reads the scores model.

If one watched the MLB, NBA, or NHL networks you would see they had replicated it all over the country with each local RSN featuring a provocatively dressed former beauty pagent queen interviewing the local teams players.

Even the dedicated SJW Dan Bernstein fell prey to the charms of one of these ladies.

Guess we are limited to the sideline reporters on the networks, but we do have onlyfans now so our intrepid lady sports reports now have an outlet to generate a bit of paper for themselves which seems easier than going through the creepy RSN casting couch process, who wants to go through a job interview with a pants less Ozzie Guillen.


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Curious Hair wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Spitballin' here:

The NHL's ESPN deal, also includes farming out the old out-of-market package to ESPN+, runs through 2029. The Rogers deal for Canadian TV expires in 2026, and they've already begun subcontracting out their Monday night games to Prime Video. I think the NHL will follow the lead of MLS and sell a leaguewide streaming contract: MLS is on Apple TV+, so I could see the NHL going to Prime. This would mean the end of territorial restrictions and the beginning of everything being available to everyone for a price. The Chicago Sports Network and the OTA/DTC models elsewhere around the league are likely just a stopgap until the league can get the big enchilada. Sure, the CBC and an American network will get their little cutouts, but you gotta believe that's the eventual goal.



Said this about hockey but it seems to be the case for baseball, too. Just gotta mark time until 2028 and then it's going to be a whole paradigm shift of how baseball is televised.


https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/san-fra ... ckage.html

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2028 is the year where MLB commissioner Rob Manfred would like to reorganize the entire structure of the league’s local media rights deals.

Manfred’s goal is to coalesce enough MLB clubs to sell a package of local media rights to a tech company like Amazon or Google. The proposed system would, in theory, end blackouts and simplify the experience for fans, creating a one-stop-shop for local MLB broadcasts and eliminating the need for a pay TV subscription.

For small and medium-market teams, the arrangement is a no-brainer. These teams will likely attract larger fees from a nationalized local rights deal than they would from declining regional sports networks, many of which have already slashed local rights payments just to stay solvent.

For large-market teams, however, the decision to align with Manfred’s grand plan is much more difficult. Teams like the Los Angeles Dodgers and New York Yankees have highly lucrative local rights deals already, and would likely need financial incentive to ditch their current arrangements to join onto a nationalized local rights deal. Of course, a bundle of local rights is only so attractive if it’s without MLB’s highest-drawing franchises.

But according to John Ourand of Puck, at least one big-market team seems to be on board with MLB’s local media rights plan. San Francisco Giants CEO Larry Baer told Ourand last week that the team is “very open” to bundling its local rights with other franchises to sell to a national streaming platform. Baer added that “most teams are very open” to the idea as well.

That’s an encouraging sign for Manfred, who will have a tough job when it comes to convincing teams like the Giants to get in line.

The Giants own about one-third of their regional sports network, NBC Sports Bay Area, which recently began making its games available to stream on Peacock.

There’s still a few years until Manfred will need firm commitments from teams, but the more ball clubs like the Giants that he can get on board, the more valuable the totality of the league’s local media rights package will become.


I have a lot of reservations about this. I think baseball is particularly ill-suited to streaming: maybe it's just me, but putting on an Amazon Prime NFL game feels like a whole endeavor that I have to commit to and sit down for instead of just putting on the cable channel that a Cubs game is on, and that doesn't really mesh with the ambient, life wallpaper that I associate with baseball. But it's really the only way. Linear cable TV feels like it's dying the way that all media dies: slowly, then all at once. There's no more money in that, and they can't just give the games away over the air when bad baseball players make $10 million a year. And the idea of watching an RSN for anything other than local games is at this point just bizarre. Marquee is bleak enough; I don't even want to know how they fill the hours on a Cleveland channel.

Gonna be tough to sell bundled local rights without the Dodgers, Blue Jays, and the whole Northeast, who would surely opt out. Losing territorial restrictions will be good, especially for poor old Iowa, but paywalling baseball still feels dangerous to me.

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Hulu does not have the Brewers games. And they are blacked out on my MLB package. So strangely the games I should easily be able to watch- Cubs/Brewers- are the only ones I cannot.

I hate all the restrictions. The NBA and NFL benefit from putting more of their games on and building national interest. Even hockey is much more available now. MLB needs to do something. They could learn from the NFL to spread their games out more, meaning more day games so fans can have something on all day.

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Hulu does not have the Brewers games. And they are blacked out on my MLB package. So strangely the games I should easily be able to watch- Cubs/Brewers- are the only ones I cannot.

I hate all the restrictions. The NBA and NFL benefit from putting more of their games on and building national interest. Even hockey is much more available now. MLB needs to do something. They could learn from the NFL to spread their games out more, meaning more day games so fans can have something on all day.
120 games solves many things. Like tariffs, you take an initial hit and then it all normalizes. It will build interest, it will cut injuries, it will make starting pitching great again.


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I find myself watching more baseball now that the Cubs and Sox games are off my T.V. I tune into whatever game might be playing on ESPN and even sat down to watch sunday night baseball.

Did the same with a couple of NBA games before I realized how bad the NBA has gotten over the last few years.

I would consider the MLB.com streaming package if it included my local teams. Without the Cubs and Sox it is a waste.

If I was marketing my team I would show one series a week free on my RSN and keep people interested in your product or run it like the WWE and have the best games on your RSN behind a paywall. Rest of the week show the shit series for free leading up to the big matchup or in the White Sox case make them all free because no one is paying for that shit anyway.

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The only league that can heavily pay wall its product without suffering deleterious effects is the NFL. Baseball needs to be in front of as many eyeballs as possible if it wants to survive.


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The only league that can heavily pay wall its product without suffering deleterious effects is the NFL. Baseball needs to be in front of as many eyeballs as possible if it wants to survive.

It'll survive. It will just be hockey as far as TV revenue. People will still go for a summer picnic and casually watch men in pajamas.


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Warren Newson wrote:
The only league that can heavily pay wall its product without suffering deleterious effects is the NFL. Baseball needs to be in front of as many eyeballs as possible if it wants to survive.


i'm sure it'll be appletv that'll save it.


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I'm now streaming via MLB TV, as my only blackout team is the Tampa Bay Rays :lol: Curious is correct, MLB (and the NHL) do not translate to streaming very well in terms of quality. Unfortunately, it's the only option. Subscriptions like Cable are dying.

Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox may have lucrative deals, but it's going to come to a very sudden crash once it expires. I am guessing San Francisco is seeing that. You would hope the Yankees and Dodgers are smart enough to know their lucrative deals are on borrowed time and a hit is coming.

I don't like Manfred's plan overall, but it's the best and really only viable option for the long-term. Baseball has to stay available on TV and focus on the other revenue streams. I wish I could get all the games via OTA but that's not realistic.

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Warren Newson wrote:
The only league that can heavily pay wall its product without suffering deleterious effects is the NFL. Baseball needs to be in front of as many eyeballs as possible if it wants to survive.


My daughter likes watching baseball (unfortunately I raised her a Sox fan), and goes to school at Iowa State. In Iowa, the Twins, Royals, Brewers, Cardinals, Sox, and Cubs are blacked out. That's 20% of the league. How does MLB think that will help draw new fans?


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