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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 2:51 pm 
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here is a nightmare Day 2 that would be totally Poles

Emmanwori, S
Schwesinger, LB

It's not even difficult to see Poles being in love with Emmanwori. He's a great player everyone would love.


I mean, they do need a safety, right?

But I'm with you on Green. If he's there, you have to take him. But he won't be there.


It's more the combination of positions. I fully believe Emmanwori will be a bear. Poles loves him some DB in the second round and this guy is very good. I'd still rather go with linemen, depending on how this shakes out.

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People said almost exactly the same thing about Fields, too. This post perfectly exemplifies the culture of denial that surrounds the Bears.




No, there were never reports that coaches weren’t helping Justin break down film, he did not go thru 3 OC’s and an HC in his rookie season, there were no reports that I’m aware of that they weren’t scripting plays.


Yes there were mistakes made around Justin too that weren’t fair to him, but not to this level.


It’s insane to not break down film with your QB.


There is video of Waldron trying to talk to Caleb during games being completely blown off by him too. And the "break down film" narrative might have been Caleb not wanting to sit in with Waldron. I just cannot buy that an OC whose job deoends on working with his "Generational Talent" QB would risk it by completely blowing the kid off.


The story sounds preposterous, but people would apparently rather believe the ridiculous than believe their eyes.


Yep. There is no way that Waldron blew off the team's generational QB. It was more than likely that Caleb blew him off.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Its clear what the Bears approach has been since they decided to draft Caleb last year. Thus why all of the angst and anger directed at posters who are not part of Caleb's Cult. Every significant move that they have made last season has been made specifically because they believe that Caleb is a "generational talent". From coaches to draft picks. They need to be correct about this or you can be prepared for 5 more years of losing.

NFL team trying to setup their young quarterback to succeed. This type of thinking could revolutionize the sport.

It truly would be "revolutionary" for someone to think that it is a great idea to purchase a lemon at Ferrarri prices

So should they have cut Williams?

Its safe to say after last season that Caleb isn't a QB that you "build around" at this point. Which is exactly what they are doing currently.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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The specific weren't exactly the same, of course, but the coaches were blamed for Fields inadequacies just like they were blamed last year for the poor performance of a quarterback who wasn't close to being ready for the NFL.




Context matters tho if you’re going to say it’s the same type of denial compared to Fields.


It’s hard to be ready for the NFL when you’re starting out with poor coaching. Even veteran QB’s would struggle with that.


There aren’t many teams -let alone an individual rookie player- that could come out of a season well off where the HC, and OC are canned halfway thru the year and they rotate multiple coordinators throughout the season. That’s a really big distinction between the two situations.


Was Waldron fired because Waldron sucks, or was he fired because Caleb sucks? It's a combination of both. Many Bears fans don't want to admit the obvious, though.


Williams talent is undeniable, but I wanted Daniels from the start.

The Esquire article re-raises all of the concerns I've had about Williams from the jump. He is a weird and narcissistic dude.

The "I went home and cried in my bed" anecdote will be something he hears over and over again this season.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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Its clear what the Bears approach has been since they decided to draft Caleb last year. Thus why all of the angst and anger directed at posters who are not part of Caleb's Cult. Every significant move that they have made last season has been made specifically because they believe that Caleb is a "generational talent". From coaches to draft picks. They need to be correct about this or you can be prepared for 5 more years of losing.

NFL team trying to setup their young quarterback to succeed. This type of thinking could revolutionize the sport.

It truly would be "revolutionary" for someone to think that it is a great idea to purchase a lemon at Ferrarri prices

So should they have cut Williams?

Its safe to say after last season that Caleb isn't a QB that you "build around" at this point. Which is exactly what they are doing currently.

Well you either build around him or cut him. There is literally no other option.

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Brick wrote:
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Its clear what the Bears approach has been since they decided to draft Caleb last year. Thus why all of the angst and anger directed at posters who are not part of Caleb's Cult. Every significant move that they have made last season has been made specifically because they believe that Caleb is a "generational talent". From coaches to draft picks. They need to be correct about this or you can be prepared for 5 more years of losing.

NFL team trying to setup their young quarterback to succeed. This type of thinking could revolutionize the sport.

It truly would be "revolutionary" for someone to think that it is a great idea to purchase a lemon at Ferrarri prices

So should they have cut Williams?

Its safe to say after last season that Caleb isn't a QB that you "build around" at this point. Which is exactly what they are doing currently.

Well you either build around him or cut him. There is literally no other option.


There actually is another option. Keep him on the roster and don't continue to "build around him"

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Will Johnson DB from Michigan still being on the board going into the 2nd is wild to me. Many people had him close to the top 10.



I think Banks was the Bears guy but he gets nabbed right before the Bears pick -hard luck there. Loveland is a player a lot of people in here will probably love by the end of the season. He’s basically a giant WR who can block. Ben Johnson’s philosophy revolves heavily on being able to use scheme to help his players out so giving him another weapon to work with will go a long way in helping him do that.


Would like to see the Bears address DL in the 2nd with someone like Princley or even Landon Jackson but.. if Will Johnson somehow winds up available at 39 they better sprint his name up to the podium. Dudes a top 10 talent easily. As for RB I’d be ok with Judkins, Henderson, or Caleb Johnson.


Also, Luther Burden is still on the board too which is also a bit wild as he was most peoples WR 1 prior to the season. He’d be another weapon in Johnson’s hands as would Isaiah Bond out of Texas.


Bottom line is the Bears have a lot of options headed into the 2nd -Saftey still has some great talent on the board, WR, DB, DL, and RB are all still loaded and there are going to be some great prospects sitting there still at 39 and 41.

Will Johnson’s knee clearly showed up as a concern during team evaluations.

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Well it's a bad option. You don't give up on a player before year 2 like that. Either move on or give them a chance to succeed.

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Well it's a bad option. You don't give up on a player before year 2 like that. Either move on or give them a chance to succeed.


Nah. The Bears did "give him a chance to succeed" game last season and he flopped. Now he has to prove that he is worth the investment in order for this to continue.
In the past 2 seasons they have drafted 2 pass catchers in the top 10 and traded a No. 4 pick for another receiver. Even though they already had a 1,000 receiver on the roster. Thats 2 great of an investment for someone that isn't particularly good.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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The more I observe Johnson, the more uncomfortable I become with him as coach. But as you say, he's got a good track record. I just hope he's not a Peter Principle guy.


The more you observe Johnson? What has there been really so far to observe?

Completely get that we are all conditioned to believe that the Bears coach is going to suck. And he very well may suck. But it does not seem like much has happened to even start to think that yet.

Nice to see TM and Nas back.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Well it's a bad option. You don't give up on a player before year 2 like that. Either move on or give them a chance to succeed.


Nah. The Bears did "give him a chance to succeed" game last season and he flopped. Now he has to prove that he is worth the investment in order for this to continue.
In the past 2 seasons they have drafted 2 pass catchers in the top 10 and traded a No. 4 pick for another receiver. Even though they already had a 1,000 receiver on the roster. Thats 2 great of an investment for someone that isn't particularly good.

This one won't age well.

But soon you'll have your chance to predict his numbers.

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 Post subject: Re: 2025 Draft
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Will Johnson DB from Michigan still being on the board going into the 2nd is wild to me. Many people had him close to the top 10.



I think Banks was the Bears guy but he gets nabbed right before the Bears pick -hard luck there. Loveland is a player a lot of people in here will probably love by the end of the season. He’s basically a giant WR who can block. Ben Johnson’s philosophy revolves heavily on being able to use scheme to help his players out so giving him another weapon to work with will go a long way in helping him do that.


Would like to see the Bears address DL in the 2nd with someone like Princley or even Landon Jackson but.. if Will Johnson somehow winds up available at 39 they better sprint his name up to the podium. Dudes a top 10 talent easily. As for RB I’d be ok with Judkins, Henderson, or Caleb Johnson.


Also, Luther Burden is still on the board too which is also a bit wild as he was most peoples WR 1 prior to the season. He’d be another weapon in Johnson’s hands as would Isaiah Bond out of Texas.


Bottom line is the Bears have a lot of options headed into the 2nd -Saftey still has some great talent on the board, WR, DB, DL, and RB are all still loaded and there are going to be some great prospects sitting there still at 39 and 41.

Will Johnson’s knee clearly showed up as a concern during team evaluations.

Yeah he went from a top 10 guy to sliding into the 2nd round. That has to be a league wide assessment.

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Sanders looking available for the Bears.

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Sanders looking available for the Bears.


Trade up for him.

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Now get another pass catcher and then another in the next round.

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Now he has to prove that he is worth the investment in order for this to continue.

It's going to continue until his rookie deal is up whether you like it or not, he would have to fail abysmally for the team to move on.

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Watched a ton of Mizzou this past year. Burden is a special talent. But again how they can continue to pass up the lines. This next pick better be on one of the lines.

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what the fuck do we need another wr for?

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The girl hanging out with Tyler Shough! :cheers: :bounce:

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a trade down! I like it!

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Watched a ton of Mizzou this past year. Burden is a special talent. But again how they can continue to pass up the lines. This next pick better be on one of the lines.

Special talent?

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a trade down! I like it!




With guys like Princley and Will Johnson on the board I don’t like it. Especially considering how far back they may have traded.



Dumb move.


I love the Luther Burden pick tho that kid is excellent and was viewed by some as the best WR in college before last season started. Mizzu just didn’t utilize him properly last year

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Now he has to prove that he is worth the investment in order for this to continue.

It's going to continue until his rookie deal is up whether you like it or not, he would have to fail abysmally for the team to move on.


And when he "fails abysmally" the team will be set back another 5 years after that. They need to reassess him as a player instead of continuing to hold on to the myth that he is "generational". As long as they continue to hold on to that belief they will be screwed because most of their personnel moves are going to be based upon the belief that they just have to surround him with better talent as opposed to drafting players that will make them a better team

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Any details on the trade back yet btw?

Rumors are the Bears are trading for two bad pass catchers and a pre-injured fat guy from Brown.

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Another WR. Clearly a glaring need


I told you the play last season CB. And again earlier today. Its about what is best for the "Generational Talent" and not necessarily the team and has been this way for the last 14 months.

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