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Juice's Lecture Notes

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:44 am

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Kirkwood wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Darkside wrote:

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

Oooooor liklier the much simpler explanation.

Police - Step 1: we received a tip about a guy who is a white supremacist and is really interested in guns. Let's take 30 minutes to do a quick background check given our fellow police officers in Parkland got shit on for ignoring "warning signs".

Police - Step 2: Let's check if he has a FOID card!
a. Yes, OK well we will move on. There is nothing illegal going on. Kid likes guns and hates balcks.
b. No, OK he is breaking the law. We are going to take his guns.

Onto the next case.

You need a FOID card to be "really interested in guns"? In none of the reporting posted here has it been said that the anonymous tip said the kid possessed firearms.

correct, if you're going to strictly use the information from the article.

i'll go ahead and assume there are a lot more details not included. you should too.

"interest in guns" as opposed to "possession of guns" is a pretty big detail to leave out of the reporting, don't you think?

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:47 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Darkside wrote:

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

You need a FOID card to be "really interested in guns"? In none of the reporting posted here has it been said that the anonymous tip said the kid possessed firearms.

correct, if you're going to strictly use the information from the article.

i'll go ahead and assume there are a lot more details not included. you should too.

"interest in guns" as opposed to "possession of guns" is a pretty big detail to leave out of the reporting, don't you think?

who says there was even a search warrant????

you should stop pause the oncoming legal hissyfit until you know all the details.

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Juice's Lecture Notes

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:49 am

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Kirkwood wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Darkside wrote:

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

You need a FOID card to be "really interested in guns"? In none of the reporting posted here has it been said that the anonymous tip said the kid possessed firearms.

correct, if you're going to strictly use the information from the article.

i'll go ahead and assume there are a lot more details not included. you should too.

"interest in guns" as opposed to "possession of guns" is a pretty big detail to leave out of the reporting, don't you think?

who says there was even a search warrant????

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:40 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Darkside wrote:

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

Already backtracking after calling me a troll in the same post!

Its tricky. I'm having a hard time believing that the batf was interested in someone due to a tshirt. He had illegal weapons. They should have been seized based on his lack of credentials. Now your trolling was about the NRA and you know that.

To the best of my knowledge, the two primary ways to solve the gun issue according to the NRA:
1) Add significantly more guns to the situation.
2) Have law enforcement catch bad people with guns prior to the act based on the clear warning signs that are almost always present after the fact.

That is what happened here.

What was the "clear warning sign" in this case?

I'll wait until he shoots up a school and then tell you.

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Juice's Lecture Notes

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:43 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Darkside wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Darkside wrote:

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

Already backtracking after calling me a troll in the same post!

What was the "clear warning sign" in this case?

I'll wait until he shoots up a school and then tell you.

No, really, what was the "warning sign" here?

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IMU

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:29 pm

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I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

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Darkside

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:33 pm

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IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:34 pm

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I'm fine with anyone wearing a Cub shirt being looked into.

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:35 pm

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

No, really, what was the "warning sign" here?

Here's the reporter's email address: rkambic@pioneerlocal.com

You can e-mail him and ask him for more details to know whether you should waste your time rambling for 6 pages.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:35 pm

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Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

Yep.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'm fine with anyone wearing a Cub shirt being looked into.

YEP!

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:37 pm

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I’m fine looking into anyone with a White Sox shirt if the city can spare a cop or two.

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Juice's Lecture Notes

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:43 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

No, really, what was the "warning sign" here?

Here's the reporter's email address: rkambic@pioneerlocal.com

You can e-mail him and ask him for more details to know whether you should waste your time rambling for 6 pages.

You're the one making assumptions, shouldn't you be researching your unsubstantiated assumptions?

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:51 pm

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Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

and also a 4th since the shirt certainly cannot represent probable cause

Then again, if a person is in favor of stripping 2nd Amendment rights, I can see why that person wouldn't care for the others as well.

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:57 pm

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https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... ion-camera

Think it's bad here?

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:59 pm

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wj7n74/china-jaywalking-facial-recognition-camera

Think it's bad here?

Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before this happens in our ever growing police state.

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:21 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Then again, if a person is in favor of stripping 2nd Amendment rights

No sane person is in favor of this.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:24 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Then again, if a person is in favor of stripping 2nd Amendment rights

No sane person is in favor of this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin ... dment.html

Really?

Also, see Brick's previous posts, but then again you added the "sane" qualifier so he may not apply

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:26 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Also, see Brick's previous posts, but then again you added the "sane" qualifier so he may not apply

I expect this type of thing from FarveFan and not you.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:28 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Also, see Brick's previous posts, but then again you added the "sane" qualifier so he may not apply

I expect this type of thing from FarveFan and not you.

Come on, if you're going to troll through threads, then don't be surprised if someone throws a trolling back at you.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:29 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Also, see Brick's previous posts, but then again you added the "sane" qualifier so he may not apply

I expect this type of thing from FarveFan and not you.

Come on, if you're going to troll through threads, then don't be surprised if someone throws a trolling back at you.

I'm pro gun in general. I'm anti-NRA.

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:30 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Also, see Brick's previous posts, but then again you added the "sane" qualifier so he may not apply

I expect this type of thing from FarveFan and not you.

Come on, if you're going to troll through threads, then don't be surprised if someone throws a trolling back at you.

I'm pro gun in general. I'm anti-NRA.

Heck, I'm not even pro-NRA, but that's largely because I cannot get behind their support for Trump vs. Gary Johnson and also because I'm appalled by their pro-police stance (especially in the case of Philando Castile). Part of the reason I am so adamantly pro-gun is that I am anti-police.

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:31 pm

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I think it’s a misconception that Rick is trolling.

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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:33 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

and also a 4th since the shirt certainly cannot represent probable cause

It's almost as if there is more to the story! But let's play the victim! It's more fun!

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:37 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

I think it’s a misconception that Rick is trolling.

Shouldn't you be here arguing that we shouldn't be judging the thoughts of white supremacists? Maybe they are right?

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Ogie Oglethorpe

Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

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Kirkwood wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

and also a 4th since the shirt certainly cannot represent probable cause

It's almost as if there is more to the story! But let's play the victim! It's more fun!

Given what we see on a daily basis, I think it's justifiable to not trust police officers or our legal system, especially when it comes to searches and seizures

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:38 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

I think it’s a misconception that Rick is trolling.

Shouldn't you be here arguing that we shouldn't be judging the thoughts of white supremacists? Maybe they are right?

What? That wasn’t even an insult.

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Frank Coztansa

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:42 pm

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives asked Vernon Hills police for help with a campus threat assessment of Jakub Zak, 19, following an anonymous tip about the teen’s interest in guns and a sighting of him at College of Lake County wearing clothing that promoted a group known as Patriot Front, according to Kim Christenson, spokesman for the Vernon Hills police department.

There was somebody who reported him. It's not as if the Police or ATF said, "We don't like your shirt. Relinquish your guns" like MANY in this thread would have you believe.

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:42 pm

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

and also a 4th since the shirt certainly cannot represent probable cause

It's almost as if there is more to the story! But let's play the victim! It's more fun!

Given what we see on a daily basis, I think it's justifiable to not trust police officers or our legal system, especially when it comes to searches and seizures

Getting a FOID card is really easy if you're just Joe Anybody.

The kid is a dumbass. He likely posted photos on Facebook or a message board.

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:43 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

The kid is a dumbass. He likely posted photos on Facebook or a message board.

b-b-but my amendments

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Post subject: Re: Thought Crimes!

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 2:47 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Darkside wrote:

IMU wrote:

I'm okay with him being looked into due to his shirt.

Kinda seems like a 1st amendment violation doesn't it?

and also a 4th since the shirt certainly cannot represent probable cause

It's almost as if there is more to the story! But let's play the victim! It's more fun!

Given what we see on a daily basis, I think it's justifiable to not trust police officers or our legal system, especially when it comes to searches and seizures

Getting a FOID card is really easy if you're just Joe Anybody.

The kid is a dumbass. He likely posted photos on Facebook or a message board.

FOID is such a foreign concept for me. I love living in shall issue states.

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