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Sure. But I'm not the one certain he isn't good.


But you're the guy who finds relevance in Prognosticating about stats in January. Ok prognosticate then

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I did when I wrote it. What's it mean?


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Sure. But I'm not the one certain he isn't good.


But you're the guy who finds relevance in Prognosticating about stats in January. Ok prognosticate then

Well, April.

But, you've also played the "Why didn't you say this before the season?" card a few times.

So, you'll get your chance to not say things before the season too.

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It was so repeatable that he completed more passes than Justin Fields ever did, yes. For more yards than Justin ever did, as well.


Hey Golf Shoes. Only an ignorant buffoon would ever be impressed by the fact that a guy who was 7th in pass attempts per game would be 23rd in Avg yardage per game. And in you Effingham War Hawks Team.Mascot, "WE" have found just that guy!

Doc, you might as well give up on this. A guy who is thrown into a tizzy by a simple change to a weather app will never fully comprehend advanced stats.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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It was so repeatable that he completed more passes than Justin Fields ever did, yes. For more yards than Justin ever did, as well.


Hey Golf Shoes. Only an ignorant buffoon would ever be impressed by the fact that a guy who was 7th in pass attempts per game would be 23rd in Avg yardage per game. And in you Effingham War Hawks Team.Mascot, "WE" have found just that guy!

Doc, you might as well give up on this. A guy who is thrown into a tizzy by a simple change to a weather app will never fully comprehend advanced stats.



Do you stat geeks factor in the stupid -5 yard screen passes that were overwhelming part of the bears "gameplan" into your metrics?

Anyone can manipulate the stats to make it fit their narrative. Cherry picking stats does not prove your point when we all watched the Bears this year and know for a fact that A) line sucks B) Caleb as a rookie was not ready to overcome the lack of protection and his coaches did a piss poor job of helping him manage the game. Their solution was to pass sideways and hand it off to Swift who was not meant to be used as a bruiser.

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Do you stat geeks factor in the stupid -5 yard screen passes that were overwhelming part of the bears "gameplan" into your metrics?
Yeah and only an idiot OC would ever design a game plan which included downfield throws for one of the worst downfield passers of the last 25 years. No OC would ever shoot themselves in the foot like that.
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Anyone can manipulate the stats to make it fit their narrative.

Which is what all you dudes ever try to do i.e. Total Yardage, constant focus on the fact that he is just a "Rookie" and TDs/Ints until you got called on it.
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Cherry picking stats does not prove your point when we all watched the Bears this year and know for a fact that A) line sucks B) Caleb as a rookie was not ready to overcome the lack of protection and his coaches did a piss poor job of helping him manage the game. Their solution was to pass sideways and hand it off to Swift who was not meant to be used as a bruiser.
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"We" also know that he posted some of the absolute worst offensive numbers of any QB in the league. Regardless of how those numbers were dissected.

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By the way. The Effingham War Hawks mascot is back to prioritizing yardage over point production again

They're not the Flaming Hearts anymore??

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These dudes have been wrong about "Generational Talent" Caleb from the very beginning. And the messed up part in all of this is that the Bears are "committed" to him as their franchise QB. Which means that we are in for at least another 2 years of this before they finally pull the plug.


Quite possibly true. But what I won't be able to take is two more years of you arguing for Justin Fields, even as he stands on the sideline holding a clipboard for another team TBD.

In 3 months you'll be (and so will MANY others here) whining about him being garbage even as he signs with someone to be their starting QB. Book it!


No way will he be handed a starting job outright. Brought in either as a backup, to compete for #1 or serve as a placeholder while a team readies their own high draft pick.

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I also believe he's a placeholder. It's still an opportunity for him to NOT be a placeholder.


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I also believe he's a placeholder. It's still an opportunity for him to NOT be a placeholder.

I still "believe" that the Paw will be a better pro than Kawhi. It still would be incorrect for this particular "belief" to be true.

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I also believe he's a placeholder. It's still an opportunity for him to NOT be a placeholder.

I still "believe" that the Paw will be a better pro than Kawhi. It still would be incorrect for this particular "belief" to be true.

That's fair. Fields is the starter for the NY Jets. I defied reality there for a second.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
a retard wrote:
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
These dudes have been wrong about "Generational Talent" Caleb from the very beginning. And the messed up part in all of this is that the Bears are "committed" to him as their franchise QB. Which means that we are in for at least another 2 years of this before they finally pull the plug.


Quite possibly true. But what I won't be able to take is two more years of you arguing for Justin Fields, even as he stands on the sideline holding a clipboard for another team TBD.

In 3 months you'll be (and so will MANY others here) whining about him being garbage even as he signs with someone to be their starting QB. Book it!


No way will he be handed a starting job outright. Brought in either as a backup, to compete for #1 or serve as a placeholder while a team readies their own high draft pick.

Receipts!
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My calendar says we are in March. The season starts in September. Happy to shuffle along until then.

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a retard wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
a retard wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
a retard wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
These dudes have been wrong about "Generational Talent" Caleb from the very beginning. And the messed up part in all of this is that the Bears are "committed" to him as their franchise QB. Which means that we are in for at least another 2 years of this before they finally pull the plug.


Quite possibly true. But what I won't be able to take is two more years of you arguing for Justin Fields, even as he stands on the sideline holding a clipboard for another team TBD.

In 3 months you'll be (and so will MANY others here) whining about him being garbage even as he signs with someone to be their starting QB. Book it!


No way will he be handed a starting job outright. Brought in either as a backup, to compete for #1 or serve as a placeholder while a team readies their own high draft pick.

Receipts!
Another guy who happens to be doing the Ali Shuffle currently :lol: :lol:


My calendar says we are in March. The season starts in September. Happy to shuffle along until then.

He's already disproven your claim :lol:

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Splitting the 2-3 month self-imposed deadline to March 31, Justin's best case scenario is that by then he is signed to "compete" for a starting gig. But no way is he anointed a starter by then.

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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.


“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.


“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

NBA playoffs are on and you're talking off season NFL?

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https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/chicago-bears/caleb-williams-rome-odunze-chemistry-2025/

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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.


“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

NBA playoffs are on and you're talking off season NFL?


It really must be slow in Troll land whenever anyone has to steal a Frank bit. Good grief!

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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.

“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

NBA playoffs are on and you're talking off season NFL?

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Franky T wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/chicago-bears/caleb-williams-rome-odunze-chemistry-2025/

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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.


“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

NBA playoffs are on and you're talking off season NFL?

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Yes, it’s obvious to everyone Caleb’s arm talent was a complete charade. The dude cannot throw the ball more than five yards downfield with any semblance of accuracy.


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Franky T wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/chicago-bears/caleb-williams-rome-odunze-chemistry-2025/
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ESPN’s Ben Solak examined the “big questions” currently surrounding the leagues top WRs heading into Year 2, and with Odunze specifically, he highlighted a concerning lack of on-field chemistry with QB1.

“The Bears’ No. 9 overall pick was often being thrown an uncatchable ball. According to ESPN’s charting, Odunze saw 37 targets that were overthrown or underthrown, which led all receivers by a lot,” Solak wrote. “Now, inaccurate balls can be as much a receiver’s fault as they are the quarterback’s, but it’s no great secret that rookie QB Caleb Williams was missing all of his receivers last season. DJ Moore was third in the league with 27 inaccurate targets, and Keenan Allen was 10th with 24.”

NBA playoffs are on and you're talking off season NFL?

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"Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die," Carl Williams, Caleb's father, told Seth Wickersham, author of "American Kings: A Biography of the Quarterback," in the months before the 2024 draft.


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I can't blame him.

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Well, he certainly looked dead on arrival last year.

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This might be the biggest shitshow in franchise history brewing.


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Carl Williams did more good for the Bears than George McCaskey ever has, pretty incredible

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If he has a bad season, he is toast here

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ehh...What every offensive pro has thought about the Bears got written down. I don't see the big deal. I doubt Caleb or his pops went 'pfft' when Johnson got hired.

Caleb gets a pass.


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